KingKaido
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Hello all,
This is my first post so hopefully i don't break any rules, but firstly i must thank this forum for providing a plethora of information on all types of server builds for TrueNAS! Also sorry the title is so long but i feel it best describes my question /the discussion at a glance
So essentially i have a Gigabyte MW34-SP0 W680 Motherboard ordered and coming in 2 weeks,
the main benefits of this motherboard is:
Another thing is SCALE 22.12.RC.1 is due to be released on 15th November, which is roughly when my server build will be complete, but TrueNas docs state that RC versions is only for |Home Users Suitable for non-critical deployments|, but the actual SCALE 22.12.0 & SCALE 22.12.1 versions are due to be released 13th December 2022 & 7th February 2023 Respectively, which is some time away.
So this leads me to my first three questions
1. Will the i be able to use the i5-12600 and under CPUs on the more stable Scale 22.02 (Angelfish) without any problems since its all P Cores like a normal CPU (But with no iGPU support)? Answer is Yes according to here (#18 I just realised lmao)
2. If I start with SCALE 22.12.RC.1, is a RC version good enough for normal ZFS NAS Operation and VMs?
3. Does SCALE 22 (Bluefin) support Raptor Lake CPUs (or do those cpus need an even newer Kernel) or only Alder Lake? as my ideal CPU right now would be the i5-13600K due to its fast single thread aswell as 6P + 8E Cores (For multiple Containers & VMs) with the option of upgrading to i9-13900 in the future
^ I don't know the answers to these as of yet but i will continue on.
This is my proposed build at the moment (I know theres tables but its got weird formatting)
CPU Intel i5-12600 or i5-13600k
CPU Cooler Noctua NH-D15(S) or Artic Liquid Freezer Cooler II 280
Motherboard Gigabyte MW34-SP0 W680 Motheboard
Memory Kingston 3200MHz 32GB Ram Kit (KSM32ED8/32ME)
#That is not in the QVL list but the 16GB version 16ME is supported so hopefully its fine (Will upgrade to 128GB in future)
Storage Boot = 2 x 120GB Kingston A400 SSD | Mirror
SSD POOL (VMs & Containers) = 2 x 1TB Samsung 970 Evo Plus | Mirror
Main Storage Pool = 2 x 14TB WD Red Plus | Mirror (r/datahoarder say they are one of the quietist big drives, also the Ultrastar HC550 but $$$
Then i will expand my Pool in Striped Mirrors, so 2x14TB + 2x14TB + 2x14TB (I heard you can mix HDD sizes aslong as its still a mirror)
(i do want to go to RaidZ2 once i hit 6-8 drives but i do like the higher read and Iops mirroring brings, also less complex & easier resilvering
*Future* Fusion Pool = 2 x 2 TB Samsung 980 Pro (With Small Block set to 32Kb for caching) | Mirror (Keeps the HDDs spun down)
External HDD Backup = 10TB Ironwolf (addition backup for core stuff)
Case Fractal Design Define 7 (Up to 14 HDD and has noise reduction side panels, will add some Noctua fans for more airflow)
PSU Fractal Design Ion+ 760P Platinum ( I know its overkill but i got it for a really good price (cheaper than 550W Plat PSUs))
UPS Eaton 3S 700 (Open to suggestions) but it has USB Connectivity and is supported in TrueNas
Main Usecases
NAS, Pi-Hole, *arr Stack (Radarr, Sonarr, Prowlarr etc), NextCloud, QBit, Containers/Automation Scipts for my business (Mainly Python 3 & JS) & a couple VMs (Linux & Windows)
(im coming from a Qnap-453D so itll be a massive upgrade where i can finally do alot on the server)
4. How does this build look so far?
I also want to acknowledge my other options such as AM4, AM5 and older Intel Core or Xeons
5. Is there a reason to go AMD or older generation Intel (other than power consumption and maybe cost)?
TL:DR
The main question is, will raptor lake be supported on TrueNAS Scale 22.12 (Bluefin) and is the RC version of TrueNAS good to use for basic NAS stuff and VMs until the proper release comes out?
or should i stick with i5-12600 on 22.02 Angelfish until 13th Gen TrueNas servers are more common?
And does my build look okay?
Thank you for reading!
This is my first post so hopefully i don't break any rules, but firstly i must thank this forum for providing a plethora of information on all types of server builds for TrueNAS! Also sorry the title is so long but i feel it best describes my question /the discussion at a glance
So essentially i have a Gigabyte MW34-SP0 W680 Motherboard ordered and coming in 2 weeks,
the main benefits of this motherboard is:
- Supports Intel 12th Gen (Alder Lake) and 13th Gen (Raptor Lake) CPUs, and has Power Delivery for 241~W sustained (So i9-13900 Support )
- ECC Support and better yet DDR4, so it'll be way cheaper/available than non-existent (to consumers anyway) DDR5 ECC RAM
- Has 2 x PCIe Gen 5.0 Slot (Either x16x0 or x8x8) & PCIe Gen 3 x4 Slot (Which i'll probably use for a 10GbE NIC in the future)
- Has 2.5 GbE Intel Lan port & 1GbE port for IPMI (Also has a PCIe Gen 3 x1 Slot for another 2.5GbE NIC)
- 4 x M.2 PCIe Gen 4.0 M.2 NVME Slots with 4 Sata Ports or 3 x M.2 PCie 4.0 M.2 NVME with 8 Sata Ports Topology (When i get more than 4 drives ill most likely get a HBA Card in IT Mode)
Another thing is SCALE 22.12.RC.1 is due to be released on 15th November, which is roughly when my server build will be complete, but TrueNas docs state that RC versions is only for |Home Users Suitable for non-critical deployments|, but the actual SCALE 22.12.0 & SCALE 22.12.1 versions are due to be released 13th December 2022 & 7th February 2023 Respectively, which is some time away.
So this leads me to my first three questions
1. Will the i be able to use the i5-12600 and under CPUs on the more stable Scale 22.02 (Angelfish) without any problems since its all P Cores like a normal CPU (But with no iGPU support)? Answer is Yes according to here (#18 I just realised lmao)
2. If I start with SCALE 22.12.RC.1, is a RC version good enough for normal ZFS NAS Operation and VMs?
3. Does SCALE 22 (Bluefin) support Raptor Lake CPUs (or do those cpus need an even newer Kernel) or only Alder Lake? as my ideal CPU right now would be the i5-13600K due to its fast single thread aswell as 6P + 8E Cores (For multiple Containers & VMs) with the option of upgrading to i9-13900 in the future
^ I don't know the answers to these as of yet but i will continue on.
This is my proposed build at the moment (I know theres tables but its got weird formatting)
CPU Intel i5-12600 or i5-13600k
CPU Cooler Noctua NH-D15(S) or Artic Liquid Freezer Cooler II 280
Motherboard Gigabyte MW34-SP0 W680 Motheboard
Memory Kingston 3200MHz 32GB Ram Kit (KSM32ED8/32ME)
#That is not in the QVL list but the 16GB version 16ME is supported so hopefully its fine (Will upgrade to 128GB in future)
Storage Boot = 2 x 120GB Kingston A400 SSD | Mirror
SSD POOL (VMs & Containers) = 2 x 1TB Samsung 970 Evo Plus | Mirror
Main Storage Pool = 2 x 14TB WD Red Plus | Mirror (r/datahoarder say they are one of the quietist big drives, also the Ultrastar HC550 but $$$
Then i will expand my Pool in Striped Mirrors, so 2x14TB + 2x14TB + 2x14TB (I heard you can mix HDD sizes aslong as its still a mirror)
(i do want to go to RaidZ2 once i hit 6-8 drives but i do like the higher read and Iops mirroring brings, also less complex & easier resilvering
*Future* Fusion Pool = 2 x 2 TB Samsung 980 Pro (With Small Block set to 32Kb for caching) | Mirror (Keeps the HDDs spun down)
External HDD Backup = 10TB Ironwolf (addition backup for core stuff)
Case Fractal Design Define 7 (Up to 14 HDD and has noise reduction side panels, will add some Noctua fans for more airflow)
PSU Fractal Design Ion+ 760P Platinum ( I know its overkill but i got it for a really good price (cheaper than 550W Plat PSUs))
UPS Eaton 3S 700 (Open to suggestions) but it has USB Connectivity and is supported in TrueNas
Main Usecases
NAS, Pi-Hole, *arr Stack (Radarr, Sonarr, Prowlarr etc), NextCloud, QBit, Containers/Automation Scipts for my business (Mainly Python 3 & JS) & a couple VMs (Linux & Windows)
(im coming from a Qnap-453D so itll be a massive upgrade where i can finally do alot on the server)
4. How does this build look so far?
I also want to acknowledge my other options such as AM4, AM5 and older Intel Core or Xeons
- AM4 - Initially i was going to build an AM4 system using the asrock rack X570D4U or the X4704D4U, but because im not able to get the -2L2T/BCM versions in UK(where i live) and the fact theres not that much PCIe Lanes on the Micro-ATX Motherboards (I know bifurcation is a thing but would get very messy using adapters, it wouldn't be worth it to spend so much on a platform that has reached its EOL, also i felt the 5950x although amazing with its 16 Full Cores, but it just doesn't keep up with 12th & 13th Gen in single thread (in which most programs favour) and i wanted to build something that has longevity in mind, hence the somewhat bleeding edge approach, also intel has an iGPU which is useful for Plex.
- AM5 - Theres no server grade motherboards out (except from the gigabyte MC13-LE0 & MC13-LE1, but its not spectacular in any way) and theres no DDR5 ECC RAM out right now, (i know normal DDR5 has some inbuilt ECC but its not the best implementation, moreso a basic version), also i think AM5 & Ryzen 7000 is expensive at the moment, intel really did make people question if its worth buying anything lower than a 7900X with their 13th Gen CPUs
- Threadripper - id love to be able to afford that but its out of my price range *sad times*.
- Older Intel and Xeon WS - I know they have the 'tried and tested' badge for stability, but i feel the performance vs a 12th/13th gen will be a pretty big difference, i saw yesterday that an i5-13600k outperforms an I9-10900k, competition from both sides has really benefitted us the consumers and resulted into big generational leaps.
5. Is there a reason to go AMD or older generation Intel (other than power consumption and maybe cost)?
TL:DR
The main question is, will raptor lake be supported on TrueNAS Scale 22.12 (Bluefin) and is the RC version of TrueNAS good to use for basic NAS stuff and VMs until the proper release comes out?
or should i stick with i5-12600 on 22.02 Angelfish until 13th Gen TrueNas servers are more common?
And does my build look okay?
Thank you for reading!