FreeNAS 10-BETA is Now Available!

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Z300M

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No, FreeNAS uses an entire drive. You cannot use partitions.
So how did the boot drive (USB Flash) to which I had 9.3 and 9.10 installed offer me multiple boot options so that I could go back to earlier versions?
 

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I never said that, I just wanted to poke a stick at AMD users a bit. :)

See https://bugs.freenas.org/issues/17336
I have an AMD system (see my test rig) just itching for FreeNAS 10 to be installed on it but first I need to clean up my computer room. I don't have enough hard drives to make a full featured NAS but it should be fine for operational checks. Maybe later today. If there is something specific a person wants me to test, throw it out there.

EDIT: Got FreeNAS 10 running on the AMD system, no issues so far and I plan to keep it running. I don't have much on it yet, just trying to do the basic configuration right now. Also, I removed the Intel NIC so I'm running on the motherboard RealTek NIC, this is just for testing purposes. I cannot saturate the LAN but it's close. Now to see how stable things are.
 
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So how did the boot drive (USB Flash) to which I had 9.3 and 9.10 installed offer me multiple boot options so that I could go back to earlier versions?

Snapshots I think. i.e. you upgrade and the previous environment was saved. So you can roll back. But that's different than partitions. I'm pretty sure there is not a supported "upgrade" from 9.10.x to 10 right now. (I think I read that in this thread actually? Can't remember.) So that mechanism you refer too won't work at present.
 

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Snapshots I think.
It's datasets and snapshots. I'm not sure how they interact.
Code:
[root@nas] ~# zfs list | grep freenas-boot
NAME                                                    USED  AVAIL  REFER  MOUNTPOINT
freenas-boot                                           1.70G  26.4G    31K  none
freenas-boot/ROOT                                      1.66G  26.4G    25K  none
freenas-boot/ROOT/9.10-STABLE-201604261518             71.5K  26.4G   463M  /
freenas-boot/ROOT/9.10-STABLE-201605021851             61.5K  26.4G   481M  /
freenas-boot/ROOT/9.10-STABLE-201605240427             66.5K  26.4G   483M  /
freenas-boot/ROOT/9.10-STABLE-201606270534               49K  26.4G   595M  /
freenas-boot/ROOT/9.10.1                               1.66G  26.4G   615M  /
freenas-boot/ROOT/Initial-Install                         1K  26.4G   494M  legacy
freenas-boot/ROOT/default                                33K  26.4G   494M  legacy
freenas-boot/grub                                      37.9M  26.4G  6.33M  legacy
[root@nas] ~# zfs list -t snapshot | grep freenas-boot
NAME                                                         USED  AVAIL  REFER  MOUNTPOINT
freenas-boot/ROOT/9.10.1@2016-04-30-13:09:28                2.69M      -   494M  -
freenas-boot/ROOT/9.10.1@2016-04-30-14:26:07                2.46M      -   494M  -
freenas-boot/ROOT/9.10.1@2016-05-04-06:24:55                94.1M      -   463M  -
freenas-boot/ROOT/9.10.1@2016-05-26-22:31:40                92.5M      -   481M  -
freenas-boot/ROOT/9.10.1@2016-07-16-18:09:43                 109M      -   483M  -
freenas-boot/ROOT/9.10.1@2016-08-04-17:30:27                 253M      -   595M  -
freenas-boot/grub@Pre-Upgrade-9.10-STABLE-201604261518      6.32M      -  6.33M  -
freenas-boot/grub@Pre-Upgrade-9.10-STABLE-201605021851      6.32M      -  6.33M  -
freenas-boot/grub@Pre-Upgrade-9.10-STABLE-201605240427      6.32M      -  6.33M  -
freenas-boot/grub@Pre-Upgrade-9.10-STABLE-201606270534      6.32M      -  6.34M  -
freenas-boot/grub@Pre-Upgrade-9.10.1                        6.32M      -  6.33M  -


I'm pretty sure there is not a supported "upgrade" from 9.10.x to 10 right now. (I think I read that in this thread actually? Can't remember.) So that mechanism you refer too won't work at present.
That is correct: https://forums.freenas.org/index.php?threads/freenas-10-beta-is-now-available.45755/

So how did the boot drive (USB Flash) to which I had 9.3 and 9.10 installed offer me multiple boot options so that I could go back to earlier versions?
What I meant by "FreeNAS uses an entire drive. You cannot use partitions." is that the installer does not let you use partitions, only entire drives. The best way to use 9.10.1 and 10 on the same machine is to use different boot drives. However, I do not believe hopping back and forth between these 2 would be a good idea if you value the data in your pool. 10 is still experimental and changing frequently. Switching back and forth between a stable and an experimental version could have bizarre consequences. This is why I have a separate system for playing with 10. Then again I'm just speculating and you could be totally fine :D
 

Z300M

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It's datasets and snapshots. I'm not sure how they interact.
Code:
[root@nas] ~# zfs list | grep freenas-boot
NAME                                                    USED  AVAIL  REFER  MOUNTPOINT
freenas-boot                                           1.70G  26.4G    31K  none
freenas-boot/ROOT                                      1.66G  26.4G    25K  none
freenas-boot/ROOT/9.10-STABLE-201604261518             71.5K  26.4G   463M  /
freenas-boot/ROOT/9.10-STABLE-201605021851             61.5K  26.4G   481M  /
freenas-boot/ROOT/9.10-STABLE-201605240427             66.5K  26.4G   483M  /
freenas-boot/ROOT/9.10-STABLE-201606270534               49K  26.4G   595M  /
freenas-boot/ROOT/9.10.1                               1.66G  26.4G   615M  /
freenas-boot/ROOT/Initial-Install                         1K  26.4G   494M  legacy
freenas-boot/ROOT/default                                33K  26.4G   494M  legacy
freenas-boot/grub                                      37.9M  26.4G  6.33M  legacy
[root@nas] ~# zfs list -t snapshot | grep freenas-boot
NAME                                                         USED  AVAIL  REFER  MOUNTPOINT
freenas-boot/ROOT/9.10.1@2016-04-30-13:09:28                2.69M      -   494M  -
freenas-boot/ROOT/9.10.1@2016-04-30-14:26:07                2.46M      -   494M  -
freenas-boot/ROOT/9.10.1@2016-05-04-06:24:55                94.1M      -   463M  -
freenas-boot/ROOT/9.10.1@2016-05-26-22:31:40                92.5M      -   481M  -
freenas-boot/ROOT/9.10.1@2016-07-16-18:09:43                 109M      -   483M  -
freenas-boot/ROOT/9.10.1@2016-08-04-17:30:27                 253M      -   595M  -
freenas-boot/grub@Pre-Upgrade-9.10-STABLE-201604261518      6.32M      -  6.33M  -
freenas-boot/grub@Pre-Upgrade-9.10-STABLE-201605021851      6.32M      -  6.33M  -
freenas-boot/grub@Pre-Upgrade-9.10-STABLE-201605240427      6.32M      -  6.33M  -
freenas-boot/grub@Pre-Upgrade-9.10-STABLE-201606270534      6.32M      -  6.34M  -
freenas-boot/grub@Pre-Upgrade-9.10.1                        6.32M      -  6.33M  -



That is correct: https://forums.freenas.org/index.php?threads/freenas-10-beta-is-now-available.45755/


What I meant by "FreeNAS uses an entire drive. You cannot use partitions." is that the installer does not let you use partitions, only entire drives. The best way to use 9.10.1 and 10 on the same machine is to use different boot drives. However, I do not believe hopping back and forth between these 2 would be a good idea if you value the data in your pool. 10 is still experimental and changing frequently. Switching back and forth between a stable and an experimental version could have bizarre consequences. This is why I have a separate system for playing with 10. Then again I'm just speculating and you could be totally fine :D
I tried using alternate boot drives (but 10Beta only with the power to the "main" drives switched off, and just one "spare" drive connected), but even when I set the BIOS to have the USB flash drive with 10Beta as the first drive, it seemed to "pass control" to the SSD with 9.10; if I wanted to use 10Beta, I had to open the case and disconnect the SSD.
 

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I have an AMD system (see my test rig) just itching for FreeNAS 10 to be installed on it but first I need to clean up my computer room. I don't have enough hard drives to make a full featured NAS but it should be fine for operational checks. Maybe later today. If there is something specific a person wants me to test, throw it out there.

EDIT: Got FreeNAS 10 running on the AMD system, no issues so far and I plan to keep it running. I don't have much on it yet, just trying to do the basic configuration right now. Also, I removed the Intel NIC so I'm running on the motherboard RealTek NIC, this is just for testing purposes. I cannot saturate the LAN but it's close. Now to see how stable things are.


Manage to get visualization running as this was a issue with the beta when it was first released.
 

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I know devs dont read this much but getting a shutdown/reboot confirmation popup would be nice.
 

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I know devs dont read this much but getting a shutdown/reboot confirmation popup would be nice.

File a bug for it, that way it'll get the devs attention and they'll look at the request and decide if it's a good idea.
 

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I'm not familiar with Docker (I'm a Windows guy, mainly)... does the Plex installation under Docker in the state of the union video effectively run in a full VM? (i.e. is it running a fully emulated flavor of Linux or some translation of Linux->BSD API calls)?

I'm curious, only because I'm really looking forward to getting access to some of the Premium Music capabilities that aren't available under the BSD jail that FreeNAS 9 has...

If it is emulated, does that affect the transcode performance compared to 'down to the metal' implementations?
 
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I'm not familiar with Docker (I'm a Windows guy, mainly)... does the Plex installation under Docker in the state of the union video effectively run in a full VM? (i.e. is it running a fully emulated flavor of Linux or some translation of Linux->BSD API calls)?
There is no "emulated flavor" of Linux or translation involved. It's an actual Linux distribution (boot2docker) that runs the Docker containers.

There should also be no noticeable impact on transcode or other aspects of performance. The hypervisor overhead is very small indeed.
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I am also a windows person and I am wanting a to break away from running my windows server and try FreeNAS. Is there a guide to help me with things. Thanks
 
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Magnus33

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I am also a windows person and I am wanting a to break away from running my windows server and try freenas. Is there a guide to help me with things. Thanks
Better yet a video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=isvHJ51YRBk

I would stick with 9.10 since 10 is still in development and remember this is meant to run on a pc alone not with windows or the like.

Simplest method is freenas on a thumb drive and the harddrives as pure storage.

If you wish is to run this on your main pc beside windows then it wont work .
 

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I have a windows 10 machine setup as a server. but I am trying to switch over to nas server right now i am trying out rockstor works pretty good. I was trying out FreeNAS 10 but felt overwhelmed not really sure where to start. I watched the videos (union of the state) but that only seem to show what was coming and some of the features. thanks
 
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Stick with 9.10 there loads of videos on what to do and when 10 becomes release in a few months you shall know what to do then.

10 evolving quite a bit so anything you ;learn now may not be valid in a month.
 

Reacher

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Stick with 9.10 there loads of videos on what to do and when 10 becomes release in a few months you shall know what to do then.

10 evolving quite a bit so anything you ;learn now may not be valid in a month.
ok thanks I am looking forward to the release and a guide to help people like me
 

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I know FreeNAS 10 Isn't for production yet but anyone running it for production? My new FreeNAS build is going to be completed soon and just got excited for this, any other problems that I can run into other than limited support for FreeNAS 10? Can I lose my Data?
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Can I lose my Data?

You probably won't lose data.

We've had a FreeNAS 10 up and running for three months. Our production server (FreeNAS 9.10) is using FreeNAS 10 as a replication target. Lots of data is being pumped through 10 and we are confident with its ability to perform as a basic NAS (which is how we use FreeNAS - no jails, VMs or any other craziness).

That said, the FreeNAS 10 interface is atrocious. We'll give it another shot when the final release is out but, at this time, we don't see us going to FreeNAS 10 unless it becomes an absolute requirement. The usability of the web interface is a giant leap backwards.

Cheers,
Matt
 

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You probably won't lose data.

We've had a FreeNAS 10 up and running for three months. Our production server (FreeNAS 9.10) is using FreeNAS 10 as a replication target. Lots of data is being pumped through 10 and we are confident with its ability to perform as a basic NAS (which is how we use FreeNAS - no jails, VMs or any other craziness).

That said, the FreeNAS 10 interface is atrocious. We'll give it another shot when the final release is out but, at this time, we don't see us going to FreeNAS 10 unless it becomes an absolute requirement. The usability of the web interface is a giant leap backwards.

Cheers,
Matt
Thank you Matt, guess I have to wait a little longer since that doesn't sound encouraging.. cheers! :)
- Vincent
 
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That said, the FreeNAS 10 interface is atrocious. We'll give it another shot when the final release is out but, at this time, we don't see us going to FreeNAS 10 unless it becomes an absolute requirement. The usability of the web interface is a giant leap backwards.
Well, I guess that's why we're all a diverse nation and world - differences of opinion. :D

9.10 will continue to be supported for some time and no one is "forced" to go to 10. Heck, we have some users who have still stuck with FreeNAS 8. Probably because they thought the FreeNAS 9 UI was an "atrocious giant leap backwards" ;)
 
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