Home NAS server

[Davvo]

This looks really fancy ;D

I see that many 8+ sata PSU are modular. It's a problem or better search no modular for server? going further.. it's possible to expand/change cables in modular? f.e PSU have 9 SATA -> 1x4 sata / 3xsata + molex / 2xsata + something.. what if buy 4xsata cables and replace that sh!t?:)

With modular you have less cable clutter in the system... it's not something that tells you if the PSU is good quality or bad quality. Generally you can use the molex cables and convert them to sata, but as rule of thumb you want to check the specs in order not to overload anything.

In X11ssl-f is possible to expand sata port from motherboard? Or only PCI-e comes in game?

The only way with the X11SSL-F is by using the PCIe slots; if you want more, there is the X11SSM-F that has the C236 chipset and two more SATA ports, or the X11SSH-F that adds a m.2 slot on top of that.

 

[Constantin]

I can't use the second channel in my system... likely due to a slot being broken

I had a very tricky issue with RAM on my Supermicro board where even a single deviation would lead to only two out of four DIMMs being accepted. In my case, it was the "die revision" of the ram chips (!!!) on the DIMM stick that differed by one iteration from the one on the tested list. I had bought the right DIMMs by SKU but had been sent a later revision, so I exchanged for the "right" ones.

Once I replaced all four sticks with the right SKU down to the last digit, all 128 GB of RAM posted w/o issues. Some boards are simply more finicky than others.

 

[Constantin]

For a file-server in a SOHO application, I’d take a really close look at the X10SDV-2C-7TP4F. For the money, you get oodles of SATA ports, low power, high clock (good for SMB) and SFP+.

 

[darkness]

OK what about that one be quiet titanium 750W is 12 sata port. Overkill?

For a file-server in a SOHO application, I’d take a really close look at the X10SDV-2C-7TP4F. For the money, you get oodles of SATA ports, low power, high clock (good for SMB) and SFP+.

This looks very cool and 35W.. but small quantity of this board - only new is possible to buy I see.
I've already ordered x11ssl and e3-1230v6.

Any UPS you recommend? this one?

 

[Etorix]

If you plan to have 10-12 drives, a 750 W PSU is not overkill. But then a 500 VA UPS is not enough.

X10SDV boards can be found second-hand… if you're patient and search well.

 

[Davvo]

Overkill?

Proper Power Supply Sizing Guidance

I've seen about 1,000 threads like this one where people decide that they can power a dozen hard drives off a 360 watt supply. DO NOT DO THIS. I've seen another 1,000 threads where people decide to buy the cheapest power supply that they can...

www.truenas.com

 

[darkness]

OK I hope that is last modification, it was hard time..

MOBO: X11SSL-F
CPU: Xeon E3-1230v6
Cooler: Endorfy Fera 5
RAM: 4x16GB Hynix UDIMM ECC 2666MHz
HDD: 4x4TB Ironwolf
PSU: Seasonic Focus GX 650W 80 Plus Gold
Case: Fractal Node 804

In near furture I would add UPS and maybe change cooler if will not be efficient.

 

[Etorix]

Looks good to go.

 

[Constantin]

Good luck!

 

[Davvo]

Looks good to me. Something that didn't came up: make sure to use CMR drives, not SMR. The Ironwolfs in your first post are CMR.
The be quiet titanium PSU wasn't bad, especially the four 12V lanes.

 

[Constantin]

OK what about that one be quiet titanium 750W is 12 sata port. Overkill?

This looks very cool and 35W.. but small quantity of this board - only new is possible to buy I see.
I've already ordered x11ssl and e3-1230v6.

Any UPS you recommend? this one?

I use a Seasonic Ti-rated @ 700W or 750W (??) IIRC. It's way overkill given that my plug load is 125W max and so on but try finding a lower-wattage PSU that is Ti-rated... they are very rare below 600W yet, Ti-rating is very beneficial for the part load my NAS is imposing.

I happen to use a APC 1500 VA UPS. Make sure that whatever your choice is, that it can speak to a NUT server via USB.

 

[darkness]

Looks good to me. Something that didn't came up: make sure to use CMR drives, not SMR. The Ironwolfs in your first post are CMR.
The be quiet titanium PSU wasn't bad, especially the four 12V lanes.

Yup, its 4xTB Ironwolf (ST4000VN006) - I updated list above, thanks :)

Today I want to order all. As @Constantin wrote buy something bellow 700W is hard. Seasonic have Platiunium option but only 6xsata. BeQuiet have best option with Titanium but Seasonic Gold 650W seems good to port 10xsata/price.

But I never have Titanium quality PSU and will be nice to test :) if this BQ Titanium 750 is good choice now and for furture purpose use, maybe is worth to try?:) (assume 10 years so propably I change server to something more powerful).

I happen to use a APC 1500 VA UPS. Make sure that whatever your choice is, that it can speak to a NUT server via USB.

thx!

 

[Davvo]

But I never have Titanium quality PSU and will be nice to test :) if this BQ Titanium 750 is good choice now and for furture purpose use, maybe is worth to try?:) (assume 10 years so propably I change server to something more powerful).

It's all about if and how you plan to expand the server; there is a possibility that in 5 years it will be doable to switch to SSDs, or maybe you will need a crapton of storage space and will buy 6 more 18TB drives. Only you can (partially) tell.

If you plan staying with a low-disk count go with lower than 750W PSU, otherwise it might be worth getting the 750 Titanium now.

 

[Constantin]

You don’t need one SATA power port on a PSU per SATA drive. On my NAS, multiple SATA drives “hang” off each power connector via a backplane. The key is not to hang too many drives off one connector as one does not want to exceed the ampacity of the wires / connectors nor the output capacity of the PSU on a given power port (if modular) or connector (if traditional)

The power that modern 3.5” drives pull vs. the power that the PSU can develop on each SATA power outlet is pretty lopsided. Take a look at most PSU specifications - comparatively very little power is set aside for 3.3, 5 and -5V. The vast bulk is in the 12VDC rail. How all that is arranged internally re: power per port (if segregated) depends on the PSU OEM / model.

 

[darkness]

I really appreciate for your help! Tommorow gears should come. Ultimately I choose Be Quiet Titanium. It's time to update footer.

Today I read some topic about 10gbe network, mainly jgreco, some topic on forum and watch tutorials on youtube.

Just to confirm:
Intel x520 should be fine? - should I avoid any vendor? (I see there are DELL, HP etc.)
What do you think about Mikrotik CRS305-1G-4S+IN as switch? or this CRS310-8G+2S+IN?

 

[Davvo]

Mikrotik makes great price/value hardware, you can hardly go wrong with them.

 

[danb35]

What do you think about Mikrotik CRS305-1G-4S+IN as switch? or this CRS310-8G+2S+IN?

I'm not using my CRS305s any more (I replaced them, a Unifi switch, and a Dell X1052 with a Brocade ICX6610), but they worked well and were small and silent. The web UI isn't the greatest, though certainly better than the Brocade. There's a script out there to update its TLS cert, so you can get a trusted cert for the switch if you like (e.g., from Let's Encrypt) and keep it up to date automatically.

 

[Constantin]

What do you think about Mikrotik CRS305-1G-4S+IN as switch? or this CRS310-8G+2S+IN?

I have the 305 and think it’s a great switch for the money. Especially with DAC or optical transceivers. No good for copper 10GbE due to power and heat.

The 310 also looks super tasty though support for 2.5 GbE can be hit or miss re transceivers and drivers. MikroTik was also struggling with that during the RB5009 rollout. Not sure they have fixed their driver issues since then but expect they would have by now.

I have given up on Realtek 2.5 drivers on MacOs, maybe they work better for other platforms. I’m transitioning everything that is not fast enough on WiFi 6e to 10GbE fiber. (Qnap and sonnet make SFP+ / Thunderbolt cages that are decent. Arguably the QNAP is now the better one on account of the Thunderbolt 3 cable being replaceable).

 

[Constantin]

There's a script out there to update its TLS cert, so you can get a trusted cert for the switch if you like (e.g., from Let's Encrypt) and keep it up to date automatically.

Do you happen to remember where you found the script? I’m still replacing my switch certs from inside a jail.

 

[danb35]

Do you happen to remember where you found the script? I’m still replacing my switch certs from inside a jail.

GitHub - danb35/letsencrypt-routeros: Let's Encrypt certificates for RouterOS / Mikrotik

Let's Encrypt certificates for RouterOS / Mikrotik - danb35/letsencrypt-routeros

github.com