Bhoot
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EPILOGUE
A bit of the background. My SYSTEM SPECS are available in my signature. It’s been nearly 3 years from original build and about 10-12 months from my last upgrade/addition of the noctua fans.
Obviously the digital media is growing at an exponential rate and my family now uses my FreeNAS box as a dump bin. I’m not complaining at all but each 4K video does hurt the storage available. When I constructed the server in 2015 I assumed it wouldn’t fill past 80% in the first 4-5 years.
Fast forward 2018 I’m running close to 75% and I’m aware of not crossing 80% of the storage and don't intend to.
The last scrub took 95 hours and at times with lesser data stored when the scrub repaired disks I've seen that figure cross 120 hours.
Now that I've given most the information everyone would need I am stuck at a fork and need help in making a decision.
I live in India in a Coastal Tropical city. My winter time temperatures are a funny 15C (60F) and summers scorch to about 50C (120F) and then there is humidity. Being on a hot coast I've never seen it drop lower than 50%. I live in a condo and the room my server is put in is exposed to the elements. Current (random) stats at (near) idle at 7 am on Feb 07th.
CHAPTER
Over the period of 3 years of warranty my hard disks have toasted while scrubbing/general use and replacement has not been much of a pain. In short I have a firm belief in WD and FreeNAS. I won't lie but I have considered switching to other options provided by enclosure case manufacturers to switch to their pre-made hardware and 'enjoy' the ease of storing data, but the lovely system of FreeNAS along with the most active community pulls me back. I've also thought about server racks but honestly I realized they will just run hotter and noisier, and being in a condo I really don't have a place to put it. Points to be noted
My system is going to run hot.
I can't afford 24x7 aircon.
I don't mind RMA to and fro from WD.
I do have a cold spare all the time (unless a disk is in RMA).
It's a raidz2 system.
Can't think of expanding to a 4u (24 bay case)
Sorry for getting a bit carried away but I wanted everyone to know what I have to consider.Now coming to the problem at hand, planned replacement of the hard drives is obviously is the name of the game (resilver each of the 8 drives weekly/fortnightly/monthly).
I like WD red and I think the community also approves of it as being one of the best at business (except for a batch with 8 sec Head unloading timer).
So my current choices:
WD red/pro 8tb and 10tb
Don't really hate it but not a fan of Seagate (but)
Ironwolf /pro 8tb and 10tb
Not sure about HGST (prices/services in India) but I'm sure they will be giving the WD level of support.
He8/He10/He12.
All the above mentioned HDD except for WD Red run at 7200 rpm. The pro's and He carry 2 years additional warranty for a minor price bump.
I don't want to be running around for RMA drops every month. In the last 34 months of WD reds I've had 6 hard disks failing on me(mostly SMART or with Unreadable (pending) sector), out of which 2 were RMA'ed drives and I'm willing to accept these numbers, but anything more might be frustrating.
I just wanted to know if sticking to the slower spinning WD red will be a good idea to reduce the hard disk heating or not care a lot about heating woes, and go with the thought if the drives fail just replace them. How much heat (temperature) increase can I expect from the 7200rpm disks vs WD reds? Will the scrub times reduce with faster drives?
Personal experience/reviews/articles about each of the product as a whole?
Sorry for the long post but I wanted to give all my thoughts and facts at hand to give every reader everything he/she might require.
Thanks a lot in advance.
A bit of the background. My SYSTEM SPECS are available in my signature. It’s been nearly 3 years from original build and about 10-12 months from my last upgrade/addition of the noctua fans.
Obviously the digital media is growing at an exponential rate and my family now uses my FreeNAS box as a dump bin. I’m not complaining at all but each 4K video does hurt the storage available. When I constructed the server in 2015 I assumed it wouldn’t fill past 80% in the first 4-5 years.
Fast forward 2018 I’m running close to 75% and I’m aware of not crossing 80% of the storage and don't intend to.
The last scrub took 95 hours and at times with lesser data stored when the scrub repaired disks I've seen that figure cross 120 hours.
Code:
zpool status pool: bhoot state: ONLINE scan: scrub repaired 0 in 94h55m with 0 errors on Mon Feb 5 02:55:31 2018 config: NAME STATE READ WRITE CKSUM bhoot ONLINE 0 0 0 raidz2-0 ONLINE 0 0 0 gptid/5663b940-bdde-11e5-9e00-f07959376c84 ONLINE 0 0 0 gptid/cd427285-e4d8-11e4-b39d-f07959376c84 ONLINE 0 0 0 gptid/ec0f7827-2d2c-11e6-b1de-f07959376c84 ONLINE 0 0 0 gptid/ce06b19f-e4d8-11e4-b39d-f07959376c84 ONLINE 0 0 0 gptid/ce69a75d-e4d8-11e4-b39d-f07959376c84 ONLINE 0 0 0 gptid/b1f3389f-5382-11e6-885d-f07959376c84 ONLINE 0 0 0 gptid/f3b91656-f1d6-11e7-be68-f07959376c84 ONLINE 0 0 0 gptid/cf91d6e8-e4d8-11e4-b39d-f07959376c84 ONLINE 0 0 0 errors: No known data errors pool: freenas-boot state: ONLINE scan: scrub repaired 0 in 0h1m with 0 errors on Tue Jan 23 03:46:16 2018 config: NAME STATE READ WRITE CKSUM freenas-boot ONLINE 0 0 0 mirror-0 ONLINE 0 0 0 gptid/40460acb-cf27-11e5-b12b-f07959376c84 ONLINE 0 0 0 da1p2 ONLINE 0 0 0 errors: No known data errors
Code:
zpool list NAME SIZE ALLOC FREE EXPANDSZ FRAG CAP DEDUP HEALTH ALTROOT bhoot 29T 22.0T 6.98T - 39% 75% 1.00x ONLINE /mnt freenas-boot 14.2G 1.05G 13.2G - - 7% 1.00x ONLINE -
Now that I've given most the information everyone would need I am stuck at a fork and need help in making a decision.
I live in India in a Coastal Tropical city. My winter time temperatures are a funny 15C (60F) and summers scorch to about 50C (120F) and then there is humidity. Being on a hot coast I've never seen it drop lower than 50%. I live in a condo and the room my server is put in is exposed to the elements. Current (random) stats at (near) idle at 7 am on Feb 07th.
Code:
CPU 0: 49 C CPU 1: 50 C CPU 2: 49 C CPU 3: 50 C CPU 4: 54 C CPU 5: 50 C ada0 WD-WCC4E3CDR5SC: 34 C ada1 WD-WCC4E4JL9NDZ: 37 C ada2 WD-WCC7K2VDVPKT: 33 C ada3 WD-WCC4E4KC79HK: 34 C ada4 WD-WCC4E0ESU744: 34 C ada5 WD-WCC4E2VSE6NP: 35 C ada6 WD-WCC4E1FSUL4N: 36 C ada7 WD-WCC4E4JL90L8: 35 C
CHAPTER
Over the period of 3 years of warranty my hard disks have toasted while scrubbing/general use and replacement has not been much of a pain. In short I have a firm belief in WD and FreeNAS. I won't lie but I have considered switching to other options provided by enclosure case manufacturers to switch to their pre-made hardware and 'enjoy' the ease of storing data, but the lovely system of FreeNAS along with the most active community pulls me back. I've also thought about server racks but honestly I realized they will just run hotter and noisier, and being in a condo I really don't have a place to put it. Points to be noted
My system is going to run hot.
I can't afford 24x7 aircon.
I don't mind RMA to and fro from WD.
I do have a cold spare all the time (unless a disk is in RMA).
It's a raidz2 system.
Can't think of expanding to a 4u (24 bay case)
Sorry for getting a bit carried away but I wanted everyone to know what I have to consider.Now coming to the problem at hand, planned replacement of the hard drives is obviously is the name of the game (resilver each of the 8 drives weekly/fortnightly/monthly).
I like WD red and I think the community also approves of it as being one of the best at business (except for a batch with 8 sec Head unloading timer).
So my current choices:
WD red/pro 8tb and 10tb
Don't really hate it but not a fan of Seagate (but)
Ironwolf /pro 8tb and 10tb
Not sure about HGST (prices/services in India) but I'm sure they will be giving the WD level of support.
He8/He10/He12.
All the above mentioned HDD except for WD Red run at 7200 rpm. The pro's and He carry 2 years additional warranty for a minor price bump.
I don't want to be running around for RMA drops every month. In the last 34 months of WD reds I've had 6 hard disks failing on me(mostly SMART or with Unreadable (pending) sector), out of which 2 were RMA'ed drives and I'm willing to accept these numbers, but anything more might be frustrating.
Code:
+------+---------------+----+-----+-----+-----+-------+-------+--------+------+------+------+-------+----+ |Device|Serial |Temp|Power|Start|Spin |ReAlloc|Current|Offline |UDMA |Seek |High |Command|Last| | | | |On |Stop |Retry|Sectors|Pending|Uncorrec|CRC |Errors|Fly |Timeout|Test| | | | |Hours|Count|Count| |Sectors|Sectors |Errors| |Writes|Count |Age | +------+---------------+----+-----+-----+-----+-------+-------+--------+------+------+------+-------+----+ |ada0 |WD-WCC4E3CDR5SC| 34 |13109| 50| 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| N/A| N/A| N/A| 0| |ada1 |WD-WCC4E4JL9NDZ| 36 |22939| 217| 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| N/A| N/A| N/A| 0| |ada2 |WD-WCC7K2VDVPKT| 33 | 744| 2| 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| N/A| N/A| N/A| 0| |ada3 |WD-WCC4E4KC79HK| 34 |22939| 218| 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| N/A| N/A| N/A| 0| |ada4 |WD-WCC4E0ESU744| 34 |16788| 74| 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| N/A| N/A| N/A| 0| |ada5 |WD-WCC4E2VSE6NP| 35 |22939| 211| 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| N/A| N/A| N/A| 0| |ada6 |WD-WCC4E1FSUL4N| 35 |14277| 56| 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| N/A| N/A| N/A| 0| |ada7 |WD-WCC4E4JL90L8| 35 |22759| 212| 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| N/A| N/A| N/A| 0| +------+---------------+----+-----+-----+-----+-------+-------+--------+------+------+------+-------+----+
I just wanted to know if sticking to the slower spinning WD red will be a good idea to reduce the hard disk heating or not care a lot about heating woes, and go with the thought if the drives fail just replace them. How much heat (temperature) increase can I expect from the 7200rpm disks vs WD reds? Will the scrub times reduce with faster drives?
Personal experience/reviews/articles about each of the product as a whole?
Sorry for the long post but I wanted to give all my thoughts and facts at hand to give every reader everything he/she might require.
Thanks a lot in advance.