Odd ARC Memory Usage Behavior in 13.0-U4

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Meanwhile at Villabajo — things magically dropped over night by 100GB. Never saw anything like this before. Neither with Solaris/OmniOS, nor with freeBSD. The use case is constantly the same: Hourly backups from 3 up to 5 MacOS clients (TimeMachine vis SMB), daily backups from 2 Linux clients (rsync via NFS); daily replication to a remote (vanilla) freeBSD ZFS file server (zfs send via SSH). It's all about scientific data. No DVD-archives, no video editing. And of course: no reboots/service daemon restarts:

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root@truenas ~ # arc_summary                                                                                                                               [0]

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ZFS Subsystem Report                            Sun Mar 19 15:09:32 2023
FreeBSD 13.1-RELEASE-p7                                    zpl version 5
Machine: truenas.fritz.box (amd64)                      spa version 5000

ARC status:                                                      HEALTHY
        Memory throttle count:                                         0

ARC size (current):                                     9.9 %   12.5 GiB
        Target size (adaptive):                        10.1 %   12.8 GiB
        Min size (hard limit):                          3.1 %    4.0 GiB
        Max size (high water):                           31:1  126.9 GiB
        Most Frequently Used (MFU) cache size:         37.2 %    4.4 GiB
        Most Recently Used (MRU) cache size:           62.8 %    7.5 GiB
        Metadata cache size (hard limit):              75.0 %   95.2 GiB
        Metadata cache size (current):                  1.9 %    1.8 GiB
        Dnode cache size (hard limit):                 10.0 %    9.5 GiB
        Dnode cache size (current):                     3.1 %  305.9 MiB

ARC hash breakdown:
        Elements max:                                               2.1M
        Elements current:                              10.6 %     221.6k
        Collisions:                                               813.6k
        Chain max:                                                     5
        Chains:                                                     1.5k

ARC misc:
        Deleted:                                                    4.1M
        Mutex misses:                                                732
        Eviction skips:                                            12.1M
        Eviction skips due to L2 writes:                               0
        L2 cached evictions:                                     0 Bytes
        L2 eligible evictions:                                   5.8 GiB
        L2 eligible MFU evictions:                     59.9 %    3.5 GiB
        L2 eligible MRU evictions:                     40.1 %    2.3 GiB
        L2 ineligible evictions:                               593.1 GiB

ARC total accesses (hits + misses):                                 1.2G
        Cache hit ratio:                               99.8 %       1.2G
        Cache miss ratio:                               0.2 %       3.1M
        Actual hit ratio (MFU + MRU hits):             99.6 %       1.2G
        Data demand efficiency:                        98.4 %      25.7M
        Data prefetch efficiency:                      22.7 %       1.9M

Cache hits by cache type:
        Most frequently used (MFU):                    98.2 %       1.2G
        Most recently used (MRU):                       1.7 %      21.2M
        Most frequently used (MFU) ghost:             < 0.1 %     356.1k
        Most recently used (MRU) ghost:                 0.1 %     865.4k
        Anonymously used:                             < 0.1 %     193.5k

Cache hits by data type:
        Demand data:                                    2.1 %      25.3M
        Prefetch data:                                < 0.1 %     421.1k
        Demand metadata:                               92.3 %       1.1G
        Prefetch metadata:                              5.6 %      68.6M

Cache misses by data type:
        Demand data:                                   13.5 %     414.1k
        Prefetch data:                                 46.6 %       1.4M
        Demand metadata:                               12.8 %     392.6k
        Prefetch metadata:                             27.2 %     835.2k

DMU prefetch efficiency:                                           19.1M
        Hit ratio:                                     27.6 %       5.3M
        Miss ratio:                                    72.4 %      13.8M

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ZIL committed transactions:                                         8.1M
        Commit requests:                                            1.6M
        Flushes to stable storage:                                  1.5M
        Transactions to SLOG storage pool:          187.4 GiB       2.7M
        Transactions to non-SLOG storage pool:       70.7 MiB      10.8k


This is the corresponding part of the reporting section. Seems awfully wrong:

ARC_size_drop.png
 
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Well, I found no reports with complaints upstream (so far). How can this be "corrected" when it is not even clear whether this is intended behaviour or not? By pushing the question, @dak180 is right.

(Explanation found. Read below. )
 
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maybe it's all the tweaks I have done, but im not seeing this on my side. Im running 1tb of ram and 12tb of l2arc and my stats look just as similar as before.
 

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Right after the upgrade things looked ok over here, as well. The ARC wasn't just building up in the same way as before with U3.1; with U4 it was way slower. And then ... all of a sudden ...
 

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@morganL so, bringing me back to my original question: is this intended behavior or should I make a bug report? If I make a bug report I can attach a netdata (fully instrumented including network traffic levels and smart monitoring of disks) snapshot file covering anytime from several months before the upgrade to present day at whatever resolution you would care for.

It not really a bug unless the NAS is measurable slower than previously and there are no settings that restore the performance.

Some improvements only really help, small or large systems.... but as long as performance is similar on other systems, that is OK.

Most of the work going on right now is to improve ZFS ARC with Linux... its not as good as FreeBSD. However, it's probably better for supporting VMs and Apps.
 

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As I said here before, I can't really say performance of my NAS has decreased in any measurable way since upgrading to 13.0-U4, even though ARC behavior has definitely and markedly changed as discussed here. I'm just pissed off about shelling out the money for that extra RAM DIMM to maximize ARC usage just prior to upgrading! :smile::mad:

Anywho:
Right after the upgrade things looked ok over here, as well. The ARC wasn't just building up in the same way as before with U3.1; with U4 it was way slower. And then ... all of a sudden ...
I feel you're saying your ARC has recently shot up? I've been seeing much greater ARC usage in the last couple of days, perhaps coinciding with recently deploying a GitLab jail (heavily leveraging cross-pool mounts for data backups), with numbers very closely resembling pre 13.0-U4 days. But let my rig idle for a few hours, e.g. overnight when asleep, and ARC will again lose the pressure and shrink considerably.

Still, though, pretty smooth sailing here since upgrading to 13.0-U4, but hard to know if there's any extra performance I may be missing out on.
 

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The opposite: It vanished/shrank to almost zero with U4 (after building up over days to almost maximum size). Building up again ...

ARC_build_up.png


I wouldn't see a problem there either if ...

  1. the changes were documented and appeared in the OpenZFS documentation.
  2. one could be sure that Unixoids beyond the Linux kernel and its modules have not disappeared from the focus.
 
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The opposite: It vanished/shrank to almost zero with U4 (after building up over days to almost maximum size). Building up again ...

View attachment 64889

I wouldn't see a problem there either if ...

  1. the changes were documented and appeared in the OpenZFS documentation.
  2. one could be sure that Unixoids beyond the Linux kernel and its modules have not disappeared from the focus.
Similar experience, and 100% agree with your comments!
 

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It not really a bug unless the NAS is measurable slower than previously and there are no settings that restore the performance.
What would you suggest for getting some numbers on this? I would be happy to run some metrics to find out.
 

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What would you suggest for getting some numbers on this? I would be happy to run some metrics to find out.
On large systems we would compare average latency from a client perspective (e.g ESXi host or SMB client)... before and after.

It's not easy to do these cache comparisons with synthetic tests.
 

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I have the same issues with ARC size after update to U4. The ARC size is dropping suddenly down to almost zero.
Arc_fail.png


In my case:
- NAS became noticeably slower (that is why I stared investigation)
- Usually drops are occurring aligned to high load (lots of writes). On the screen above it was a write of 256GB image within 7 min
- I use a lot of VeraCrypt containers from NAS over SMB and 10GB network, and R/W operations became slower. Especially in the cases when a lot of IO is going in and out of NAS

On top of that when it was happening, the UI became unresponsive and took30 sec to reveal the dashboard.

Sad.
 

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Seems like something went wrong with arc_reduce_target_size() while pruning ARC:


The Jira-Ticket:


A deep bow to Richard Kojedzinszky for submitting and Alex Motin from iXsystems for the fix.

And not to forget: the daily ARC "drop" report ...

Arc_drop_20220320.png


Measuring I/O in "low(er) ARC situation" with iozone (I know, it's rather old and rather simple) shows spikes in I/O and then returning to performance like almost direct "on disk" I/O. This is definitely wrong. (Even though I'll admit the SMB implementation of my MacOS clients used most of the time over here is far from being "right".)
 
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AS IT SEEMS TO ME (I don’t know/understand the ZFS code well enough/at all in all parts/modules, to judge finally) …

It was AFAIU. In a way. ARC module(s) will get a major rewrite for 2.2 and some things weren‘t backported, while others got fixed in the current code. Some „optimization“ (in other modules?) AS IT SEEMS lead to a deadlock (in current ARC code), so that every time there was certain memory pressure the whole ARC got pruned. It‘s all documented in the links above.
 
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Will this be fixed with a U4.1 or we'll need to wait 'till U5?
Because it might be worth downgrading to U3.1
 
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Meanwhile:

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It's like working out findings on echocardiograms. Ventricular fibrillation?
 
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This makes you do a double-take when you read that TrueNAS's minimum RAM requirement is 16 GiB. :wink: How else are you going to fit all of that precious "unused, free" space into limited physical memory? :tongue:

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Davvo

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Btw, with 16GB I don't seem to have any issues (my usage isn't really intensive).
I am hitting this as well. Darn.
 
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