Hacking WD Greens (and Reds) with WDIDLE3.exe

[cyberjock]

@Linkman
Can you post the output of smartctl -a -q noserial /dev/XXX for the two Reds that were set to 8 seconds out of the box?

 

[Linkman]

@Linkman
Can you post the output of smartctl -a -q noserial /dev/XXX for the two Reds that were set to 8 seconds out of the box?

The 8 second default Reds were older models, disc labels said NASware 2.0 versus the newer one's NASware 3.0, but I will try to grab that for you this weekend and post it.

 

[Linkman]

First WD Red with 8 second out-of-the-box idle time out, manufactured date 19 Nov 2013, NASware 2.0...

Show : (1) smartctl -a -q noserial /dev/sdc

$ sudo smartctl -a -q noserial /dev/sdc
smartctl 5.41 2011-06-09 r3365 [x86_64-linux-3.2.0-82-generic] (local build)
Copyright (C) 2002-11 by Bruce Allen, http://smartmontools.sourceforge.net

=== START OF INFORMATION SECTION ===
Device Model: WDC WD30EFRX-68EUZN0
Firmware Version: 80.00A80
User Capacity: 3,000,592,982,016 bytes [3.00 TB]
Sector Sizes: 512 bytes logical, 4096 bytes physical
Device is: Not in smartctl database [for details use: -P showall]
ATA Version is: 9
ATA Standard is: Exact ATA specification draft version not indicated
Local Time is: Fri May 1 22:12:16 2015 EDT
SMART support is: Available - device has SMART capability.
SMART support is: Enabled

=== START OF READ SMART DATA SECTION ===
SMART overall-health self-assessment test result: PASSED

General SMART Values:
Offline data collection status: (0x00) Offline data collection activity
was never started.
Auto Offline Data Collection: Disabled.
Self-test execution status: ( 0) The previous self-test routine completed
without error or no self-test has ever
been run.
Total time to complete Offline
data collection: (39600) seconds.
Offline data collection
capabilities: (0x7b) SMART execute Offline immediate.
Auto Offline data collection on/off support.
Suspend Offline collection upon new
command.
Offline surface scan supported.
Self-test supported.
Conveyance Self-test supported.
Selective Self-test supported.
SMART capabilities: (0x0003) Saves SMART data before entering
power-saving mode.
Supports SMART auto save timer.
Error logging capability: (0x01) Error logging supported.
General Purpose Logging supported.
Short self-test routine
recommended polling time: ( 2) minutes.
Extended self-test routine
recommended polling time: ( 255) minutes.
Conveyance self-test routine
recommended polling time: ( 5) minutes.
SCT capabilities: (0x703d) SCT Status supported.
SCT Error Recovery Control supported.
SCT Feature Control supported.
SCT Data Table supported.

SMART Attributes Data Structure revision number: 16
Vendor Specific SMART Attributes with Thresholds:
ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME FLAG VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE UPDATED WHEN_FAILED RAW_VALUE
1 Raw_Read_Error_Rate 0x002f 100 253 051 Pre-fail Always - 0
3 Spin_Up_Time 0x0027 100 253 021 Pre-fail Always - 0
4 Start_Stop_Count 0x0032 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 3
5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct 0x0033 200 200 140 Pre-fail Always - 0
7 Seek_Error_Rate 0x002e 100 253 000 Old_age Always - 0
9 Power_On_Hours 0x0032 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 0
10 Spin_Retry_Count 0x0032 100 253 000 Old_age Always - 0
11 Calibration_Retry_Count 0x0032 100 253 000 Old_age Always - 0
12 Power_Cycle_Count 0x0032 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 3
192 Power-Off_Retract_Count 0x0032 200 200 000 Old_age Always - 2
193 Load_Cycle_Count 0x0032 200 200 000 Old_age Always - 5
194 Temperature_Celsius 0x0022 130 113 000 Old_age Always - 20
196 Reallocated_Event_Count 0x0032 200 200 000 Old_age Always - 0
197 Current_Pending_Sector 0x0032 200 200 000 Old_age Always - 0
198 Offline_Uncorrectable 0x0030 100 253 000 Old_age Offline - 0
199 UDMA_CRC_Error_Count 0x0032 200 253 000 Old_age Always - 0
200 Multi_Zone_Error_Rate 0x0008 100 253 000 Old_age Offline - 0

SMART Error Log Version: 1
No Errors Logged

SMART Self-test log structure revision number 1
No self-tests have been logged. [To run self-tests, use: smartctl -t]


SMART Selective self-test log data structure revision number 1
SPAN MIN_LBA MAX_LBA CURRENT_TEST_STATUS
1 0 0 Not_testing
2 0 0 Not_testing
3 0 0 Not_testing
4 0 0 Not_testing
5 0 0 Not_testing
Selective self-test flags (0x0):
After scanning selected spans, do NOT read-scan remainder of disk.
If Selective self-test is pending on power-up, resume after 0 minute delay.

Second WD Red with default 8 sec idle time out, also manufactured 19 Nov 2013, NASware 2.0...

Show : (2) smartctl -a -q noserial /dev/sdc

$ sudo smartctl -a -q noserial /dev/sdc
smartctl 5.41 2011-06-09 r3365 [x86_64-linux-3.2.0-82-generic] (local build)
Copyright (C) 2002-11 by Bruce Allen, http://smartmontools.sourceforge.net

=== START OF INFORMATION SECTION ===
Device Model: WDC WD30EFRX-68EUZN0
Firmware Version: 80.00A80
User Capacity: 3,000,592,982,016 bytes [3.00 TB]
Sector Sizes: 512 bytes logical, 4096 bytes physical
Device is: Not in smartctl database [for details use: -P showall]
ATA Version is: 9
ATA Standard is: Exact ATA specification draft version not indicated
Local Time is: Fri May 1 22:26:40 2015 EDT
SMART support is: Available - device has SMART capability.
SMART support is: Enabled

=== START OF READ SMART DATA SECTION ===
SMART overall-health self-assessment test result: PASSED

General SMART Values:
Offline data collection status: (0x00) Offline data collection activity
was never started.
Auto Offline Data Collection: Disabled.
Self-test execution status: ( 0) The previous self-test routine completed
without error or no self-test has ever
been run.
Total time to complete Offline
data collection: (38100) seconds.
Offline data collection
capabilities: (0x7b) SMART execute Offline immediate.
Auto Offline data collection on/off support.
Suspend Offline collection upon new
command.
Offline surface scan supported.
Self-test supported.
Conveyance Self-test supported.
Selective Self-test supported.
SMART capabilities: (0x0003) Saves SMART data before entering
power-saving mode.
Supports SMART auto save timer.
Error logging capability: (0x01) Error logging supported.
General Purpose Logging supported.
Short self-test routine
recommended polling time: ( 2) minutes.
Extended self-test routine
recommended polling time: ( 255) minutes.
Conveyance self-test routine
recommended polling time: ( 5) minutes.
SCT capabilities: (0x703d) SCT Status supported.
SCT Error Recovery Control supported.
SCT Feature Control supported.
SCT Data Table supported.

SMART Attributes Data Structure revision number: 16
Vendor Specific SMART Attributes with Thresholds:
ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME FLAG VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE UPDATED WHEN_FAILED RAW_VALUE
1 Raw_Read_Error_Rate 0x002f 100 253 051 Pre-fail Always - 0
3 Spin_Up_Time 0x0027 100 253 021 Pre-fail Always - 0
4 Start_Stop_Count 0x0032 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 3
5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct 0x0033 200 200 140 Pre-fail Always - 0
7 Seek_Error_Rate 0x002e 100 253 000 Old_age Always - 0
9 Power_On_Hours 0x0032 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 0
10 Spin_Retry_Count 0x0032 100 253 000 Old_age Always - 0
11 Calibration_Retry_Count 0x0032 100 253 000 Old_age Always - 0
12 Power_Cycle_Count 0x0032 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 3
192 Power-Off_Retract_Count 0x0032 200 200 000 Old_age Always - 2
193 Load_Cycle_Count 0x0032 200 200 000 Old_age Always - 5
194 Temperature_Celsius 0x0022 130 115 000 Old_age Always - 20
196 Reallocated_Event_Count 0x0032 200 200 000 Old_age Always - 0
197 Current_Pending_Sector 0x0032 200 200 000 Old_age Always - 0
198 Offline_Uncorrectable 0x0030 100 253 000 Old_age Offline - 0
199 UDMA_CRC_Error_Count 0x0032 200 253 000 Old_age Always - 0
200 Multi_Zone_Error_Rate 0x0008 100 253 000 Old_age Offline - 0

SMART Error Log Version: 1
No Errors Logged

SMART Self-test log structure revision number 1
No self-tests have been logged. [To run self-tests, use: smartctl -t]


SMART Selective self-test log data structure revision number 1
SPAN MIN_LBA MAX_LBA CURRENT_TEST_STATUS
1 0 0 Not_testing
2 0 0 Not_testing
3 0 0 Not_testing
4 0 0 Not_testing
5 0 0 Not_testing
Selective self-test flags (0x0):
After scanning selected spans, do NOT read-scan remainder of disk.
If Selective self-test is pending on power-up, resume after 0 minute delay

 

[cyberjock]

Thanks for the output. Unfortunately there is no tell-tale sign that it was set to 8 seconds (I wasn't really expecting one.. just hoping).

 

[Ericloewe]

Heck, even the firmware version is exactly the same as the one on my mid-2014 3TB Reds.

 

[cyberjock]

Heck, even the firmware version is exactly the same as the one on my mid-2014 3TB Reds.

Did yours have the problem?

<Hopes you say no so I can go "wtf WD!">

 

[Ericloewe]

Did yours have the problem?

<Hopes you say no so I can go "wtf WD!">

Code:

SMART Attributes Data Structure revision number: 16
Vendor Specific SMART Attributes with Thresholds:
ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME  FLAG  VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE  UPDATED  WHEN_FAILED RAW_VALUE
  1 Raw_Read_Error_Rate  0x002f  200  200  051  Pre-fail  Always  -  0
  3 Spin_Up_Time  0x0027  179  177  021  Pre-fail  Always  -  6050
  4 Start_Stop_Count  0x0032  100  100  000  Old_age  Always  -  45
  5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct  0x0033  200  200  140  Pre-fail  Always  -  0
  7 Seek_Error_Rate  0x002e  200  200  000  Old_age  Always  -  0
  9 Power_On_Hours  0x0032  091  091  000  Old_age  Always  -  6798
 10 Spin_Retry_Count  0x0032  100  253  000  Old_age  Always  -  0
 11 Calibration_Retry_Count 0x0032  100  253  000  Old_age  Always  -  0
 12 Power_Cycle_Count  0x0032  100  100  000  Old_age  Always  -  45
192 Power-Off_Retract_Count 0x0032  200  200  000  Old_age  Always  -  21
193 Load_Cycle_Count  0x0032  200  200  000  Old_age  Always  -  52
194 Temperature_Celsius  0x0022  123  114  000  Old_age  Always  -  27
196 Reallocated_Event_Count 0x0032  200  200  000  Old_age  Always  -  0
197 Current_Pending_Sector  0x0032  200  200  000  Old_age  Always  -  0
198 Offline_Uncorrectable  0x0030  100  253  000  Old_age  Offline  -  0
199 UDMA_CRC_Error_Count  0x0032  200  200  000  Old_age  Always  -  0
200 Multi_Zone_Error_Rate  0x0008  200  200  000  Old_age  Offline  -  0

I've always taken these as a "no".

The affected drives seem to be from January 2014 at the latest.

 

[cyberjock]

Yay...

WTF WD!

 

[9C1 Newbee]

Eff you WD with your overly aggressive valets!

 

[LIGISTX]

So, getting close to me buying all my stuff (probably 1.5-2 months now). Does it seem like the latest WD greens in 4 TB capacity can be changed to 300? Or just go with reds? I will be getting 9 of them... really don't want to get 9 green drives that cant be "fixed" lol.

 

[Linkman]

Based on my recently purchased 3TB Greens, yes, they can be changed to 300 secs.

 

[LIGISTX]

Based on my recently purchased 3TB Greens, yes, they can be changed to 300 secs.

There shouldn't be any difference between the 3 and 4 TB ones right?


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[Linkman]

My assumption is that there isn't any meaningful difference outside of the capacity.

I purchased my 3TB Greens on 3/25, from NewEgg, so I assume they are recent builds. I would be happy to check their manufactured date if you think that will help. The full model numbers and firmware version is listed in my previous post up-thread with the smartctl output.

 

[Ixian]

This is from my 3 month old 5tb Red, NASWare 3.0. I have 6 of them, they are all around this. It doesn't look bad but it's not super low either, I can't tell if it's heading in the wrong direction or not?

Code:

SMART Attributes Data Structure revision number: 16
Vendor Specific SMART Attributes with Thresholds:
ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME          FLAG     VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE      UPDATED  WHEN_FAILED RAW_VALUE
  1 Raw_Read_Error_Rate     0x002f   200   200   051    Pre-fail  Always       -       0
  3 Spin_Up_Time            0x0027   198   198   021    Pre-fail  Always       -       9083
  4 Start_Stop_Count        0x0032   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       244
  5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct   0x0033   200   200   140    Pre-fail  Always       -       0
  7 Seek_Error_Rate         0x002e   200   200   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
  9 Power_On_Hours          0x0032   097   097   000    Old_age   Always       -       2229
10 Spin_Retry_Count        0x0032   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
11 Calibration_Retry_Count 0x0032   100   253   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
12 Power_Cycle_Count       0x0032   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       16
192 Power-Off_Retract_Count 0x0032   200   200   000    Old_age   Always       -       7
193 Load_Cycle_Count        0x0032   200   200   000    Old_age   Always       -       2111
194 Temperature_Celsius     0x0022   116   110   000    Old_age   Always       -       36
196 Reallocated_Event_Count 0x0032   200   200   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
197 Current_Pending_Sector  0x0032   200   200   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
198 Offline_Uncorrectable   0x0030   100   253   000    Old_age   Offline      -       0
199 UDMA_CRC_Error_Count    0x0032   200   200   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
200 Multi_Zone_Error_Rate   0x0008   100   253   000    Old_age   Offline      -       0

Based on this I think I'm fine but just checking.

 

[Ericloewe]

244 start/stop cycles are unusual. In such a short time, I'd definitely double check all "power saving" options are off.

 

[Ixian]

Would it help explain, perhaps, if I mentioned I pulled these from a Windows 8.1 server where I was using them in a Storage Spaces configuration? That was the first post-Synology server I built before I came to my senses.

Now I have a FreeNAS 9.3 setup with the X10SL7/E3-1230V3/16GB ECC, 6 5TB reds in a Z2 + 2 5tb reds as a backup mirror pool, 512gb ssd for jails. (I've been doing my homework here) and I moved the drives over from that. I just got done doing a full SMART test on them all, which took a while, and am now just double checking any other settings before I start a few stress test passes and then start moving data on over from my backup Synology box.

Is there a tool in FreeNas I can check power saving settings? Other than the obvious one in the GUI disk management.

 

[statalite]

Just in case anyone is wondering, I received a WD Purple WD20PURX and the park head timer was disabled from the factory for this one.

 

[Ericloewe]

Just in case anyone is wondering, I received a WD Purple WD20PURX and the park head timer was disabled from the factory for this one.

Makes sense, since they're supposed to be tweaked Reds.

 

[mac1144]

I do understand that wdidle3 does get the wd-green to act more like the wd-red by adjusting the park head timer.

I am thinking about getting together 8 drives into a Fractal Design R4 case. When I first ready about wdidle3 it seemed pretty awesome (and still does) but my other concern is vibrations that wd-red are apparently optimized to handle -- I say 'apparently' because I not sure how much different these 'optimizations' make in the real-world use (for lets say 10 drives or less in an decent home-use enclosure like fractal design R4).

Wondering if someone who has more experience with NAS than I do (I am noob here and to NAS in general) can shed some light on this aspect. If vibrations are not a huge factor then I would love saving money and going greens :)

 

[LIGISTX]

My two cents on vibrations: if you are going with a fractal case, every drive will be sitting on silicon pads anyways, these will absorb a lot of the vibrations. Second, I'm not going to say "WD is full of crap" but I am going to say, how much of a deal could it make? I know plenty of people with normal drives in a case with 0 HDD vibration damping and run their pc's 24/7/365 and have not had issues with failures. But I am also a relative Noob to nas, but I am a pretty big normal PC tech head.


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