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[itskando]

Hello all; first time build.
Am I overspending on anything?

How do I select fans?
How do I select UPC?
Will the enclosure be quiet enough to have in same room as TV/PC?

Trying to setup a media server in my home
as well as a backup server for my PC and my media server
in another home.

Google docs spreadsheet (for readability)

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Original:
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DIY NAS 1:
Function: Media Storage
Location: Home
Innards: PCPartPicker
Motherboard: Supermicro - X10SLL-F Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard
CPU: Intel Core i3-4330
RAM: 32 GB (4 x [8GB - Crucial CT102472BD160B])
Storage: 2x [32GB Flash Drive - SanDisk UltraFit - Mirror]
Storage: 6x [4TB HDD - WD Red (setup S.M.A.R.T.)]
Enclosure: Fractal Design - Node 804 MicroATX Mid Tower Case
Cooling: ?
Power Supply: SeaSonic - G 550W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply
UPC: ?
File System: ZFS (freeNAS): RAIDZ2: 16TB

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DIY NAS 2:
Function: Omnibackup
Location: Parent's home (Out of state)
Innards: PCPartPicker
Motherboard: Supermicro - X10SLL-F Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard
CPU: Intel Pentium G3220 (if unavailable due to EoL: Intel Core i3-4330)
RAM: 32 GB (4 x [8GB - Crucial CT102472BD160B])
Storage: 2x [32GB Flash Drive - SanDisk UltraFit - Mirror]
Storage: 6x [6TB HDD - WD Red (setup S.M.A.R.T.)]
Enclosure: Fractal Design - Node 804 MicroATX Mid Tower Case
Cooling: ?
Power Supply: SeaSonic - G 550W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply
UPC: ?
File System: ZFS (freeNAS): RAIDZ2: 24TB

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Update based on responses: (PCPartPicker not yet updated)
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DIY NAS 1:
Function: Media Storage
Location: Home
Innards: PCPartPicker
Motherboard: Supermicro - X10SLL-F Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard
CPU: Intel Xeon E3-1231 v3
RAM: 32 GB (4 x [8GB - Crucial CT102472BD160B])
Storage: 2x [32GB Flash Drive - SanDisk UltraFit - Mirror]
Storage: 6x [4TB HDD - WD Red (setup S.M.A.R.T.)]
Enclosure: Fractal Design - Node 804 MicroATX Mid Tower Case
Cooling: ?
Power Supply: SeaSonic - G 550W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply
UPC: ?
File System: ZFS (freeNAS): RAIDZ2: 16TB

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DIY NAS 2:
Function: Omnibackup
Location: Parent's home (Out of state)
Innards: PCPartPicker
Motherboard: Supermicro - X10SLL-F Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard
CPU: Intel Pentium G3220 (if unavailable due to EoL: Intel Core i3-4330)
RAM: 16 GB (2 x [8GB - Crucial CT102472BD160B])
Storage: 2x [32GB Flash Drive - SanDisk UltraFit - Mirror]
Storage: 6x [6TB HDD - WD Red (setup S.M.A.R.T.)]
Enclosure: Fractal Design - Node 804 MicroATX Mid Tower Case
Cooling: ?
Power Supply: SeaSonic - G 550W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply
UPC: ?
File System: ZFS (freeNAS): RAIDZ2: 24TB

 

[Stux]

Truth be told 32GB of RAM is overkill for *just* a backup target

 

[LIGISTX]

I run 20 GB of ram (barebone I got came with 4, +16 more), and I have 10x4TB in Z2 and its more than enough RAM for a couple VM’s of low utilization, plex, couple other simple jails ect. You can easily drop that down to 16 GB. Pretty much all I can contribute.


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[Stux]

And if it were me, I'd investigate an X11 motherboard for the first system at least

Unless the savings are substantial I wouldn't be investing in an X10 system. The newer boards support double the max ram, and have more SATA3 ports, which means you could use a SATA SSD instead of USB flash as well.

Unless you are saving a lot by going with yester-yester-years tech :)

 

[itskando]

32GB of RAM is overkill for a backup target

I was more concerned about the 1 GB RAM / 1 TB storage rule.
Also, one of the guides from this site (the black powerpoint)
states that 8 GB baseline is advisable ON TOP OF the 1 GB / 1 TB.
(Thus 32 GB for 24 TB.)

I'm more than happy to shift down;
the real concern was loss of data for using too little RAM.
The guide is pretty thorough that no one will feel bad if
data is lost for cheapening out on RAM.

I'd investigate an X11 motherboard for the first system at least, unless the savings are substantial.

Newer boards support double the max ram and
have more SATA3 ports, which means you could use a SATA SSD instead of USB flash as well.

I'm just going by the guides mostly,
which don't go into much detail about the X11s.
Are the guides mostly antiquated?

I did notice that saving did seem pretty substantial with the X10s
based on reduced costs of processor, RAM, and the forcible use of flash drive.

I'm pretty sure that I'm going to have extra space for a while,
so I figured the inability to update wouldn't be too terrible.
I'm open to being told otherwise though, and
I can revisit the X11s if you think I should.

I run 20 GB of ram and I have 10x4TB RAIDZ2. RAM works fine for a couple VM’s of low utilization, plex, couple other simple jails ect. You can easily drop that down to 16 GB.

What about all of the guides saying to 1 GB RAM / 1 TB storage,
and that's before any sort of processing use?
From what I heard, the rule supposedly falls apart if using compression,
but there's a ton of warnings all over about rolling the dice with reduced RAM.
Do these fears not apply?

 

[Inxsible]

I did notice that saving did seem pretty substantial with the X10s
based on reduced costs of processor, RAM, and the forcible use of flash drive.

In the US, you will save a bunch if you use a DDR3 based system vs DDR4. Europe, not so much. I would stick with a X9/X10 board.

Your backup doesn't need more than 16GB RAM. I have 16GB RAM on my primary NAS -- which is soon to be a backup NAS.

Your case of choice supports 8 drives, IIRC. If a SATA port is available, I would use a small SSD for the boot pool. If a SATA port is not available, then you can use a USB drive. I use one on my Node 304 build because all 6 SATA ports were used up by the storage disks.

CPU: Intel Core i3-4330

Save the money on RAM and try and upgrade the processor to a Xeon in order to future proof it a bit.

CPU: Intel Pentium G3220 (if unavailable due to EoL: Intel Core i3-4330)

When has EoL stopped anyone from buying a CPU? You are not trying to buy everything brand new, are you?
If saving money is your goal, then you will save a whole lot by buying your components used off of Ebay/Craigslist.

 

[itskando]

In the US, you will save a bunch if you use a DDR3 based system vs DDR4. Europe, not so much. I would stick with a X9/X10 board.

Noted. I'm US.

Your backup doesn't need more than 16GB RAM. I have 16GB RAM on my primary NAS -- which is soon to be a backup NAS.

Noted.

Your case of choice supports 8 drives, IIRC. If a SATA port is available, I would use a small SSD for the boot pool. If a SATA port is not available, then you can use a USB drive. I use one on my Node 304 build because all 6 SATA ports were used up by the storage disks.

Fractal Design - Node 804 MicroATX Mid Tower Case:
EXTERNAL 5.25" SLIM SLOT LOAD BAYS
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INTERNAL 2.5" BAYS
2
INTERNAL 3.5" BAYS
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I figured the real limit to SATA was the motherboard,
which maxes out at 6 SATA:

Supermicro - X10SLL-F Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard:
SATA 3 GB/S
2
SATA 6 GB/S
4

Save the money on RAM and try and upgrade the processor to a Xeon in order to future proof it a bit.

Intel Core i3-4330: $300
Intel Xeon E3-1231 V3: $400

I'm guessing worth it?

When has EoL stopped anyone from buying a CPU? You are not trying to buy everything brand new, are you?
If saving money is your goal, then you will save a whole lot by buying your components used off of Ebay/Craigslist.

omg. This is probably the most useful info.
I've never built a PC before and none of the guides have mentioned
used gear very prominently.

So effective process is:
Build PC on pcpartpicker to make sure everything is compatible,
then scour the aftermarket for anything cheap and buy it bit by bit?

Are there any components to avoid buying used?
HDDs? MoBos? Processors? etcetera..

 

[Inxsible]

Are there any components to avoid buying used?
HDDs? MoBos? Processors? etcetera..

I never buy used HDDs. Everything else is fair game.

Just test all the components when they arrive so that you are not left with a dud.

 

[Inxsible]

Intel Core i3-4330: $300
Intel Xeon E3-1231 V3: $400

https://m.ebay.com/itm/Intel-Xeon-E...3EAAOSwjjtaoBt6:sc:USPSFirstClass!60188!US!-1

There, I just saved you another $120 over your choice of i3

You are welcome

 

[LIGISTX]

Yea the 1GB/1TB deal is sorta a little blown out of proportion in most situations. Depends on the use case and the data. Most people just trying to run a “simple solution for their home” can get by with 16GB of ram. And get by is an understatement, that is 100% enough. One of my friends run ZFS under archlinux and has 4GB of ram and it performs totally fine, with iirc 12x3TB in Z3. It has no VM’s, a couple ssh type things going on, he routes traffic through it in a vpn like setup when he is out of the country and it does fine. Most wouldn’t advise 4GB as being enough, I wouldn’t either (thus why I have 20), but he swears it runs totally fine for him and him alone. Single user, not much going on....

Point is, 16 is fine and if you find out it’s not just throw more at it later. Start with 16, should be perfect.


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[itskando]

So, 16 GB RAM for backup server.
Is 16 GB recommended for plex server as well?

For backup, is the Intel i3 fine, since it will barely be doing anything?

Any recommendations for cooling / UPC?
Are there fan sizes with are loud / unrecommended?
Is the case unwieldy?

 

[Inxsible]

For backup, is the Intel i3 fine, since it will barely be doing anything?

Get a Pentium

 

[LIGISTX]

16 GB is fine and i3 is as well. The rest just depends on what you want to do. Server chassis will be loud and unwieldy. Normal desktop case can be whatever your heart desires haha. And cooling options with normal 120 or 140mm fans are plentiful. Servers usually use loud 80mm fans.


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