why is "64-bit hardware is required for current FreeNAS releases. Intel processors are strongly recommended."

huhn

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just take gigabyte
you call stuff like this off brand low cost motherboard manufacturers these people produce flagship server hardware just like HP.
there boards are in pre made system just like HP.
and you are really sure the cheap boards with lower quality parts are gigabyte and not HP based on stuff like this: https://support.hp.com/bg-en/document/c05939208
so we just go and say HP has the quality stuff and the rest have to low ball. that's why i can choice the build on VRM which are tested too and there spec made available to all that's.

and you link me an disassembly of two fake iphone charger with some rubbish on it...
by apple you pay for the quality a charger should cost 50 not 5: i can easily turn that around: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpVNkglXc84
because apple is know for there quality stuff they would never charge more money to make more money.

Total nonsense. Eat humble pie and heed the warnings of those more experienced. Nobody is saying AMD is bad. The big message to drive home is use well tested and known supported hardware to have a known reliable and supportable solution or go your own way and tell us how it's worked out for you.
is is not true that an a320 chipset is an a320 chipset?

does anyone here even check there believes?
if someone here tells me i have far better experience with intel that's opinion based on experience and should not be ignored.
but someone tells me giant Taiwan company that produce in taiwan get's low quality parts from Shenzhen back alleys you should back that up with something.
 

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Nobody is buying what your selling. This has been discussed over and over again. Yet you can't get it through your thick head. Do everyone else a favor and go build the system the way you want with unsupported hardware. No one cares.
 
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is is not true that an a320 chipset is an a320 chipset?

Quite possibly not if you buy it in a Shenzhen back alley, where it could be a part that didn't pass QA, or even a knockoff. This stuff happens. I have a shelf in my office that has various knockoff products and it isn't unusual to see silicon ripped off:




Or other related issues


I mean I could keep going on for quite some time here, but I won't waste my time. You clearly don't want to listen. And that's fine.

does anyone here even check there believes?

Beliefs? WTF? If you want to believe in something, there's a selection of religions, but these forums aren't for those discussions.

If you want to discuss facts, you're talking to someone who works in the industry, and many of the other "non-pro" participants here have hard-won knowledge that cost them both time and money to learn the hard way. You've been presented with a lot of useful information and you don't seem to be interested in it. That's fine, of course, it's your system and you can do as you like. I generally feel an obligation to provide useful information, post volume shows that, but I have to agree with the general conclusion:

Do everyone else a favor and go build the system they way you want with unsupported hardware.
 

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so we just go and say HP has the quality stuff

Well let's not get crazy here. ;)

Putting aside the issue of counterfeits, which plague even the "legitimate server market" and are virtually guaranteed whenever you buy something from a drop-shipper or overseas warehouse, the core issue is often less the hardware itself and more around the driver controlling it.

The most common hardware gets the most hours of testing, and the vendors that respond best to the results and have an amicable attitude towards open-source development (FreeBSD/Linux/etc) often give valuable responses that lead towards a positive feedback cycle which makes the driver better, the hardware gets a reputation for being well-supported, and round and round we go. Some vendors just don't care to target anything but the Microsoft mass-market, and very quickly get relegated to "driver is developed by end-user hackery with little vendor help" which often is less stable.

and isn't the most reliable none server grade hardware you can buy cheap mainstream mainboards? if they have flaws at the sata ports or the nic countless people will flood them with bug reports returned hardware. but high end "gaming" boards with bloated bios well who cares.

Not really. If cheap mainstream boards OEM'd out to general PCs have flaws, the blame ends up on the vendor, on Microsoft, and the phase of the moon before Joe Normal puts it together that "this particular third-shift run of motherboards had shoddy capacitors." Gamers are probably far more likely to notice, complain loudly, and get their problems addressed, since they push their machines harder, for longer, and smash keyboards in rage when they BSOD in the middle of clutching that win on Fortnite while streaming to Twitch or whatever. (I don't know, I'm not a gamer. Get off my lawn, kids.)
 

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Beliefs? WTF? If you want to believe in something, there's a selection of religions, but these forums aren't for those discussions.
proof to me that gigabyte and co buys on an back ally. if you can't you are just believing it.

they are partner with intel, amd and nvidia to promote there products they are one of the companys that intel uses to show of there new processor and you sugguest to me they are not even buying proper parts or not even directly from intel?
If you want to discuss facts, you're talking to someone who works in the industry, and many of the other "non-pro" participants here have hard-won knowledge that cost them both time and money to learn the hard way. You've been presented with a lot of useful information and you don't seem to be interested in it. That's fine, of course, it's your system and you can do as you like. I generally feel an obligation to provide useful information, post volume shows that, but I have to agree with the general conclusion:
then provide the fact that gigabyte and co buy these parts you claim they are not a no name rebrand firm from china...

this is information about this the dumpster of the internet reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/homelab/comments/8x3hto/intel_vs_realtek_nics/
or this: https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/ipfw-kernel-panic-solution.65907/
this https://infogalactic.com/info/Capacitor_plague is a 12 year or problem from the manufacturer. there is a reason solid caps are the "norm" now total over kill but the DIY PC market heard about bad caps so...
there is more to support your claims that there is more unsupported hardware for freebsds but that's driver support not bad hardware.
and i'm not planning on getting hardware from alibaba i'm planning new old hardware.

heck i'm not going to disagree that server grade hardware should be last better but boardpartner buying huge bulky of counterfeited products without any proof no going to believe that..

@HoneyBadger

i mean mainstream DIY mainboards compared to the disco high end boards OEM usually use lowest priced entry boards with the worst available chipset.
 

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proof to me that gigabyte and co buys on an back ally. if you can't you are just believing it.
The thread is really getting off course, I think, and I am tempted to close it.

I think you are fixating on the wrong thing. Gigabyte, HP, AMD, Apple… All of these are manufacturers, and that is not what matters. I have seen people build working FreeNAS systems using the old Apple tower systems that had Intel socket 1366 Xeon processors. It can be done. It isn’t easy, but it can be done.

Some hardware works better than other hardware, even from the same manufacturer. Gigabyte makes system boards that have an Intel NIC and might work fine but they also make system boards with a Realtek NIC that will be problematic.

If you want any further help, please post the list of hardware you propose and we can make suggestions for changes that would work better. You have access here to hundreds of years of combined experience. I personally have made mistakes and learned lessons the hard way. I am sure that others have also. Don’t discount the voices of experience.
 

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a AMD AM4 CPU like a r3 1200 ~50 bucks
an AM4 board with 6 sata connector from the chipset b450/x470 50-100 bucks headless support would be nice after i'm done with the setup.

if intel had cheap board with ECC i would have taken them AMD APU don't support ECC (the pro version does but you will not find one).
a c242 board would cost me 165+ bucks.

freebsd seems to be the wrong OS for me. so this could be the wrong forum for this project.
potential realtek lan problems making the board more expensive it's at least claimed linux has "good" realtek support.
i'm totally able and willing to setup a linux for this.

i'm still missing to many information.
like is ZFS using AVX/2 heavily if that is the case AMD zen should not be the choice for it and i need at least a zen 2 which is way to new making intel more affordable.

the new nas is already build using my old i3 4130 with currently 24 gb ram which i plan to check the performance on so i can see how many cores i need to get reasonable speed with ZFS. just hardware i had lying around. it has an intel nic and yes FreeNAS is currently installed.
the fact i can't partition the SLC SDD for a giant swap or an L2ARC is something i don't like about FreeNAS it is as it is.
if someone here tells me i have far better experience with intel that's opinion based on experience and should not be ignored.
just as a reminder i'm just not convinced by words without test or at least clarification.
i read this and i didn't ignore it.
in the past X was bad isn't good enough for me nothing is older then the hardware you just brought.
@topic there are very good reason to recommend AMD for FreeNAS.
i was just scared after reading this i don't have to be anymore because the hardware has been working the past ~5 years with freebsd with a realtek nic a very old one but still realtek.
as said before i like clarification and reasoning at the page with a link or something.

BTW. i never owned a gigabyte board and i don't even planning to get one. i just stick to an example could just said asus instead the biggest AFAIK boardpartner.
 

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Sounds to me like you need to engineer and design your own system. FreeNas is obviously NOT for you. Let us know what you come up with.
 

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the new nas is already build using my old i3 4130 with currently 24 gb ram which i plan to check the performance on
That should be fine, depending on what you want to do with it. What are the plans for the system?
the fact i can't partition the SLC SDD for a giant swap or an L2ARC is something i don't like about FreeNAS it is as it is.
The boot device is all for the OS and nothing else. That is a feature of FreeNAS and meant to make it more stable. The complete system config database can be saved out, the entire boot media replaced and a fresh installation on a new boot media, then a restore of the config DB and it is back up and running. It makes the NAS much more resilient to boot media failure. If you want to use the SSD for something else, get a different boot device. A regular hard drive, small and old is fine, I use an old 40GB hard drive to boot my NAS. The boot drive doesn't need to be fast, just reliable.
just as a reminder i'm just not convinced by words without test or at least clarification.
Read the whole forum. There are massive numbers of tests that have been done and posted by users. Some times the details of the test are not posted but the results are. If you don't want to listen to what we have to say, why did you ask.
in the past X was bad isn't good enough for me nothing is older then the hardware you just brought.
I don't understand your argument. You are suggesting using hardware that is far too old
AMD AM4 CPU
and didn't work well when it was new. yet you are already using better hardware.

I think there is a massive language barrier here and I don't think anyone is going to continue trying to convince you to do what is good for you when you don't appear to understand the words we are using.
 

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huhn

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That should be fine, depending on what you want to do with it. What are the plans for the system?
it doesn't have ECC. storing all kinds of data from relative important to irrelevant. ranging from raw video recording, OS backups, steam backups to videos and music.
i just want ZFS, and samba server. a webGUI is just a "very nice to have".
The boot device is all for the OS and nothing else. That is a feature of FreeNAS and meant to make it more stable. The complete system config database can be saved out, the entire boot media replaced and a fresh installation on a new boot media, then a restore of the config DB and it is back up and running. It makes the NAS much more resilient to boot media failure. If you want to use the SSD for something else, get a different boot device. A regular hard drive, small and old is fine, I use an old 40GB hard drive to boot my NAS. The boot drive doesn't need to be fast, just reliable.
this would cost me an additional sata slot. i don't even know if i need an l2ARC if not i don't care and it can stay as it is.
i was already thinking about using an unused PS4 pro 2.5 HDD as the boot device.

Read the whole forum. There are massive numbers of tests that have been done and posted by users. Some times the details of the test are not posted but the results are. If you don't want to listen to what we have to say, why did you ask.
if i want ECC i have to get an AMD the intel ECC solution is to expensive for me.
I don't understand your argument. You are suggesting using hardware that is far too old and didn't work well when it was new. yet you are already using better hardware.
i'm currently testing with very old hardware the i3. i'm planning on getting a AMD AM4 zen system they are from 2017 just one generation old.
the phenom 2 x4 955 is my current in use UFS NAS system it is really old i want to discontinue it.
I think there is a massive language barrier here and I don't think anyone is going to continue trying to convince you to do what is good for you when you don't appear to understand the words we are using.
i hear you about realtek that's why i'm thinking about using linux instead.
if i stick to freebsd i should really get either an board with intel inc or an PCIe intel nic for cheap.
and if my understanding and the claims from linux user are "wrong" and realtek doesn't work on properly linux too 25 bucks for a nic doesn't kill me.
but there was an easy why to convince myself: https://www.realtek.com/en/componen...0-1000m-gigabit-ethernet-pci-express-software
an driver update in 2019 for a freebsd version of 2009. they pay someone to update a driver for a 10 year old OS not the current stable.
 

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