Return of the logout button

[peterh]

The FreeNAS GUI is in general fine, and it's got even better in 9.3

but

removal of the logout button was in my opinion a step backwards

Why ? that is the small but not nonexistent risk of pressing the wrong menue entry when logout is done.
Performing a reboot is sometime very inconvenient even if it's done by mistake. Having it's own button
on a fairly isolated place is better.

 

[dlavigne]

On which build are you not seeing the logout button?

 

[Mlovelace]

There is a logout button, and you get a prompt for reboot/shutdown if you click on the wrong one by mistake.

 

[jgreco]

Um, where's this?

 

[Mlovelace]

Um, where's this?

;)

 

[cyberjock]

Ok, so three things about this topic:

1. This sound so incredibly silly. (I'm being honest... keep reading).
2. I have seen at least 2 people click the shutdown or reboot and then clicked to accept the shutdown or reboot before realizing what they clicked to accept.
3. I've had the reboot prompt at least twice in the last week myself. No reboots though since a big red page warns me and that's my "oh shit" flag in my feeble mind.

Do I think the logout button should come back? I do...

https://bugs.freenas.org/issues/8915

 

[jkh]

I think you guys are all nuts. I mean jesus, it ASKS you before doing what you told it to do, and people still do it so we should change the GUI some more? Next thing we know, you'll be asking for all ammunition to have individual warning labels on the bullets: "WARNING: Firing this at your head may cause serious injury or death!" and even then, if you load one into a gun and pull the trigger with the hammer back, the gun will ask you several times if you really mean to fire it first, after which it will say "I really don't think this is a good idea. Lowering hammer via automatic decocking mechanism for 30 minutes while you think about this some more!" :)

 

[jgreco]

I think the suggestion is that the button to log out of the UI should not be located next to the reboot option. It used to be clearly available in the upper right hand corner by the Alert lamp, which meant that it was also visible most of the time, instead of buried at the end of the list of features on the left.

Its location in 9.3 is somewhat less accessible. The argument that it's been placed next to the reboot option also has some validity... some of us do have touchscreen laptops.

 

[avalon60]

Um, where's this?

Its at the bottom left side of the menu

 

[SilverJS]

I happen to agree - partially with it being close to the reboot button, but mostly because I dearly miss having it readily available as a big button on the top right.

I don't suppose this could be something that a user could decide on?

 

[jgreco]

It does seem a popular request.

 

[BigDave]

Maybe the log out button can be moved to the very bottom of the tree with say an empty space between it and the next lowest button?

 

[peterh]

I would suggest top right as the location of the logout button. This is whats visible without scrolling. The only real alternative is top left, but that would conflict with previous versions of freenas.

 

[Rilo Ravestein]

I'm also curious why it was moved FROM the top-right corner in the first place. It was sitting there, nice and easy, bothering nobody, minding its own busines, not bothered by anything, especially not by expanding menu structures, but always readily available for use. But somehow, some great mastermind decided that this guy had to move away, to a place where is could easily get out of reach of the screen and where it is often mistaken for one of its neighbours. Could someone please enlighten us on this great move?

 

[rogerh]

I think the problem is that when people are performing a trivial, harmless and completely reversible act like logging out of the GUI they do not concentrate on it - because it is trivial. If they want to reboot they will be alert and read an error message, because this is an uncommon and potentially dangerous act. If they only want to log out they will just click on the confirmation screen (one of which they are expecting to get) without consciously checking it is the right confirmation screen. So the present arrangement is dangerous because of the way people do things. An often used trivial control should not be right next to a rarely used dangerous control. Pointing out that people should be constantly vigilant is not helpful, because they aren't.

 

[anodos]

Maybe just remove the logout button altogether. You shouldn't admin your nas from a public computer anyway. :p

 

[rogerh]

Maybe just remove the logout button altogether. You shouldn't admin your nas from a public computer anyway. :p

I agree. When people start complaining about a facility, withdrawing it is a good way to discourage further complaints; and, as you say, they don't really need it. When I have forgotten to log out I am quite gratified not to have to type my login credentials next time.

 

[jgreco]

I'm also curious why it was moved FROM the top-right corner in the first place. It was sitting there, nice and easy, bothering nobody, minding its own busines, not bothered by anything, especially not by expanding menu structures, but always readily available for use. But somehow, some great mastermind decided that this guy had to move away, to a place where is could easily get out of reach of the screen and where it is often mistaken for one of its neighbours. Could someone please enlighten us on this great move?

That was more or less my impression as well.

 

[rogerh]

I think you guys are all nuts. I mean jesus, it ASKS you before doing what you told it to do, and people still do it so we should change the GUI some more? Next thing we know, you'll be asking for all ammunition to have individual warning labels on the bullets: "WARNING: Firing this at your head may cause serious injury or death!" and even then, if you load one into a gun and pull the trigger with the hammer back, the gun will ask you several times if you really mean to fire it first, after which it will say "I really don't think this is a good idea. Lowering hammer via automatic decocking mechanism for 30 minutes while you think about this some more!" :)

I think you are defeating your own argument, because most countries in the world won't let non-professionals have a gun at all, for all the safety reasons you imply. And, where they do, people are always shooting themselves or each other unintentionally.

 

[SilverJS]

I'm also curious why it was moved FROM the top-right corner in the first place. It was sitting there, nice and easy, bothering nobody, minding its own busines, not bothered by anything, especially not by expanding menu structures, but always readily available for use. But somehow, some great mastermind decided that this guy had to move away, to a place where is could easily get out of reach of the screen and where it is often mistaken for one of its neighbours. Could someone please enlighten us on this great move?

Couldn't have said it better myself. I am, on the whole, exceedingly pleased with the 9.3 upgrade so far, but I do remember thinking how the Logout button's absence from the top right irked me from the very onset - and things haven't changed much in this regard for me since. =)