HP Z800 Suitable for FreeNAS?

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Electric

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Hi there,

I am looking into building a FreeNAS box on a budget and wondered how suitable you would consider a refurbished HP Z800?
I've read through the recommended hardware thread and it seems to tick a lot of the boxes:

-ECC RAM (24GB)
-Decent Xeon L5630
-Well ventilated Space for 4 Hard drives (Would be using 4x WD RED 3TB)

I searched the forum and found one member using a Z800 but still a little bit concerned by:

-Broadcom Networking on board
-Whether there is integrated unavoidable RAID
-Should I be running it 24/7?

Bascially it'd be great to hear whether you would recommend this setup? (With an Intel NIC probably) Or whether you could think of anything better at this price point.

Thanks!
 

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You should also check out the lenove ts140 and Dell t20. These are two that we recommed for freenas. You might have to buy some more memory for them depending on the model you get.

The HP seems like it might work, you could add a Intel network card for cheap and a hba for almost as cheap. But since very few people use it I would be skeptical.
 

Electric

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Thanks for the quick reply!
Had a quick look and Dell T20 looks really promising, I'll definitely look into that. Can I just ask out of interest, whether there is a particular problem with the HP or whether its just less widely used?
 

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I don't have any experience with that model either. From what HP has online, I don't see any indication of built-in RAID, and since it's positioned as a workstation rather than a server, I wouldn't think that very likely. An Intel NIC is always a good idea. Running 24x7 shouldn't be a concern with any computer.
 

Electric

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Thanks, sounds like it could work then but no guarantees! Good to hear 24/7 running wouldn't be a problem. Can I just ask a really basic question? How important is more CPU power for in FreeNAS? How much would a Pentium G3220 in a Dell T20 limit what I can do?
 

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CPUs

Contrary to popular belief, you do not need to buy an ultra expensive CPU. When choosing from the recommended CPUs make sure your CPU is compatible with your motherboard. Since only Intel-based motherboards are this list I'll only be discussing Intel.

Keep in mind a few things:

1. TDP is not what it's all about. All of these CPUs shutdown most of their unused CPU sections when idle. This means that you shouldn't be picking CPUs by TDP alone. Performance of the CPU, CPU frequency, and number of threads and cores is what you should be aiming for. Samba is single-threaded on a per-user basis so don't go for that 1.5Ghz ultra low power CPU and expect miracles. All of these CPUs idle within about 3w of each other, so you should be looking at what you want your performance ceiling to be and not what your power floor will be.
2. AES encryption can bring the fastest CPU to its knees without AES-NI. If you plan to use encryption you shouldn't consider any CPU that doesn't have AES-NI (or AMD's equivalent).
3. Top CPU frequency is important for Samba as Samba is single-threaded on a per-user basis. Generally any 3Ghz+ CPU will be more than capable of hanlding Samba at Gigabit speeds without a problem.

  • Low-end
    • If you are looking for an inexpensive CPU that gets the job done the Pentium G2020 (socket 1155) and G3220 (socket 1150) are your prime targets. They are around $55-75 and can do most things you need to get done on FreeNAS. These are dual core and are around 3Ghz. These don't handle high compression very well, they aren't a good choice if you plan to run jails with high CPU needs (such as transcoding video streams with Plex) and don't support AES-NI which makes encrypted pools out of the question. But as a file-sharing CPU these are extremely capable and will provide years of happy file sharing.
  • Middle-of-the-road
    • Update: Per this thread the 2nd Generation and 3rd generation i3s do not have ECC support (there are a few exceptions, but they are so expensive that you'd be better off buying a Xeon at the prices the i3s are selling at). The entries on the Intel ARK were in error and I know that many of you bought i3s expecting ECC support. Sorry, but you'll have to get a new CPU if you want to use ECC as it appears you probably never were. The *only* i3s that support ECC and are reasonably priced are Haswell i3 CPUs.
    • If you are looking for a good CPU for a good price this is where to look. Some of the boards above will take various i3 CPUs. These usually support doing compression on your pool and can often do decently. Keep in mind that the above boards do not support i5s or i7s. i5s and i7 CPUs do not support ECC, so they are automatically poor choices for FreeNAS. Keep in mind the socket sizes and do not try to put a socket 1150 CPU in a socket 1155 motherboard. It won't fit. ;)
  • High-end
    • The Xeon E3-1230v2 (socket 1155) and the E3-1230v3 (socket 1150)is about $220-250. Both are powerhouses and can do amazing things. Both are 4-core/8-thread CPUs and are 3.3Ghz+. Many users use these and are very happy with these CPUs. It takes a lot of loading to make these CPUs break a sweat. As a home user this is about the most powerful CPU you can reasonably use. Keep in mind that the idle power usage between the Pentium and the Xeon is virtually non-existent. So if you are trying to save power by going with a Pentium, you aren't going to save anything. The Xeon is a better choice in those cases because if/when you need more processing power, the Xeon will outperform the Pentium hands down.
    • For socket 2011 the E5-1620v2 is the CPU of choice ($350). This CPU won't do multi-CPU systems but it is basically the top of the line when you want to go with single-CPU. It is a 4c/8t CPU with a clockspeed of 3.7Ghz and turbos to 3.9Ghz making Samba very zippy. This CPU is great because you can put up to 256GB of ECC RAM on it. Unless you plan to go with very expensive DIMMs you aren't likely to be in a position to install more than this amount of RAM.

  • That link is better than anything we would write in a short post.
 

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The most likely application for a home NAS that could stress your CPU would be using the Plex Media Server, and specifically using it to transcode media. If you're going to be streaming and transcoding HD video all over the place, more CPU is better. If not, really, the G3220 is likely fine.
 

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If you're going to be streaming and transcoding HD video all over the place, more CPU is better. If not, really, the G3220 is likely fine.
Exactly. And you can always replace the G3220 with an E3-1225-v3 if it starts to sweat.
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This T20 is currently running 3 Ubuntu Server VMs in a VirtualBox jail, streams media to a single HTPC, and receives backups from 2 Macs and 1 PC. But, it has plenty of RAM.

You might like to check provantage.com before you buy one. They frequently have the base model T20 for less than $200 shipped.
 

Electric

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Thanks so much for all your input, really helpful! Definitely looking to get a T20 in the near future. Going Pentium as it really sounds like I don't need the extra processing power and didn't think of upgrading later should the need ever arise. Getting 16GB of RAM as a start and some WD Reds, so hopefully that works out.
 
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