Important announcement regarding FreeNAS Corral

[aim4min]

Also, I liked the CLI of Freenas 10. However, I also recently bought a Edgemax router, which is based on EdgeOs, a fork of Vyatta. Its CLI is nothing short of amazing. There is a open source port of it: https://vyos.io/ If you are also considering throwing away the CLI - I would hope you consider rebuilding it using vyos.io as the CLI interface. If you haven't seen it, you should try it out.

 

[anodos]

Don't know what samba issues you are seeing. Samba works fine for me.

Corral changed the idmap ranges for idmap_rid with no mechanism to customize them. This broke permissions for all shares of all AD users who updated who were using idmap_rid (which was the default). This was a dealbreaker for me. The new passdb backend ended up taking some of the idmap range specified for ad users in FreeNAS 9, and so it wasn't clear that there was a good upgrade path for 9->10 for people with FreeNAS configured as an AD member server. This was not documented.

 

[anodos]

Anyways, I would rather you spend time fixing the problems, instead of starting over from scratch again. It really wasn't that bad.

I don't think anyone is talking about starting over from scratch. Docker support is targeted for FreeNAS 11.1.

 

[danb35]

I find it remarkable that, to some degree, you are representing FreeNAS as a forum mod, while trashing the decisions and effort that FreeNAS has made over the last year+

...and in so doing, supporting the decision that FreeNAS (well, iXSystems--FreeNAS is a software product and can't make decisions) has made now. Is that really so remarkable?

 

[Ericloewe]

So write documentation!

And you can consider your posting privileges for this thread gone.

You have got a lot of nerve. I have written much documentation. I have spent three years helping people on the forums and writing guides. And you show up and suggest I should do a better job? I don't think I can adequately express my outrage at the message you're implying in a safe for work environment.

 

[userseven]

There is no starting from scratch anywhere, they had two trains working in parallel: 9.10 and 10. FreeNAS 10 (Corral) has just been scrapped and the team disbanded. Everyone will move back to the 9.10 train as soon as this will be feasible (for data import, vm migration or whatever fancy). The only hope we, the ones that liked the fresh things Corral brought to the table, can possibly have now is that at least the VERY best ideas present in Corral be implemented in some form or another by the stability team in future iterations of 9.x train.

 

[JoshDW19]

There is no starting from scratch anywhere, they had two trains working in parallel: 9.10 and 10. Freenas 10 (Corral) has just been scrapped and the team disbanded. Everyone will move back to the 9.10 train as soon as this will be feasible (for data import, vm migration or whatever fancy). The only hope we, the ones that liked the fresh things Corral brought to the table, can possibly have now is that at least the VERY best ideas present in Corral be implemented in some form or another by the stability team in future iterations of 9.x train.

That's the goal @userseven. We want to bring in a few of the key features that Corral users really liked. From the things I'm seeing from the developers I think you are going to be very happy.

 

[Ericloewe]

By the way, @Kris Moore was on Allan Jude and Benedict Reuschling's BSD Now podcast yesterday, to speak about this topic and the future of FreeNAS:

https://youtu.be/uDBnKPrXu7g?t=1502

 

[Dent]

That's the goal @userseven. We want to bring in a few of the key features that Corral users really liked. From the things I'm seeing from the developers I think you are going to be very happy.

Do you know if features like health monitoring will come back to the ui? I haven't seen much on this yet (may have missed it but I have read everything in this thread I think). I have seen others say there is no real reason to use the gui on a daily basis but I do mainly for this reason. I don't have the luxury of a dedicated room for servers and heat is an issue. I do have smart warning setup but very much prefer to watch it and make changes before getting auto emails. For me this was the biggest reason for switching to corral. Is it a complete deal breaker no, freenas has a lot of other great features. Either way, thanks to the devs for all the hard work.

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[JoshDW19]

Do you know if features like health monitoring will come back to the ui? I haven't seen much on this yet (may have missed it but I have read everything in this thread I think). I have seen others say there is no real reason to use the gui on a daily basis but I do mainly for this reason. I don't have the luxury of a dedicated room for servers and heat is an issue. I do have smart warning setup but very much prefer to watch it and make changes before getting auto emails. For me this was the biggest reason for switching to corral. Is it a complete deal breaker no, freenas has a lot of other great features. Either way, thanks to the devs for all the hard work.

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Thanks for the question @Dent. I spoke with a couple of the developers a moment ago. It looks like this feature is on the radar and there is a feature request open. They're still reviewing the ticket and haven't made a decision yet. You may want to do a search in the bug tracker and post a thread asking people to jump on there saying how much they would like the feature. I do remember months ago there were people asking to bring in this kind of monitoring, but the implementation was not implemented because of performance constraints.

 

[Dent]

Thanks for the question @Dent. I spoke with a couple of the developers a moment ago. It looks like this feature is on the radar and there is a feature request open. They're still reviewing the ticket and haven't made a decision yet. You may want to do a search in the bug tracker and post a thread asking people to jump on there saying how much they would like the feature. I do remember months ago there were people asking to bring in this kind of monitoring, but the implementation was not implemented because of performance constraints.

I will look into that when I get home. Thanks for the response.

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[Ste]

I think we should be applauding iXsystems for recognizing there were issues with Corral, for many people, and deciding to do something about it - something drastic, even. I'm sure it was not a decision lightly made, and would imagine that they're doing a bit of root-cause analysis in regards to it. I have no doubt that they will move on from this and that we will all benefit from this, in the long run.

 

[John Rushford]

Wow, I just saw this today. I migrated to FreeNAS Corral and I did upgrade my pool but did not make any use of the new features. I did spin up a plex docker container and I have 3 vm's that I use. If I move back to 9.10.3 in May, please tell me that I will not lose my plex container or my 3 VM's.

 

[Jailer]

It's already been stated that your docker instances will have to be rebuilt. VM's apparently can be migrated with a bit of configuration.

 

[John Rushford]

I hope they end up putting in the effort to make people on Corral a path to "upgrade" to 9.10.3. I feel like this should be a high priority features request of 9.10.3 because they did make us all think Corral was stable when they released it.

+1 on this. I don't want to lose the docker container and vm's i've built under Corral. I've put a lot of time and effort into them and I need a way to get to 9.10.3 without losing all that work.

 

[jpringle03]

+1 on this. I don't want to lose the docker container and vm's i've built under Corral. I've put a lot of time and effort into them and I need a way to get to 9.10.3 without losing all that work.

Sadly they are not going to do that. They actually just closed the bug report I made about it: https://bugs.freenas.org/issues/23362

 

[John Rushford]

Sadly they are not going to do that. They actually just closed the bug report I made about it: https://bugs.freenas.org/issues/23362

I find this very disappointing and this comment on the bug report just pisses me off, "Spoke with Kris and team on this and we agreed that this is too much work for little reward."

I'm stuck with FreeNAS Corral (◕︵◕)

 

[Jailer]

+1 on this. I don't want to lose the docker container and vm's i've built under Corral. I've put a lot of time and effort into them and I need a way to get to 9.10.3 without losing all that work.

I thought one of the selling points of Docker was portability and ease of setup and use.

 

[John Rushford]

I thought one of the selling points of Docker was portability and ease of setup and use.

You're right about Docker containers but, I'm more concerned with having to rebuild my VM's. I want to see a migration path that doesn't require me to rebuild them.

I was using iohyve vm's in 9.10 and really liked what I saw with FreeNAS 10 so I migrated and rebuilt all my vm's at that time. I am a bit pissed at the prospect of re-building them for a third time.

 

[jpringle03]

I find this very disappointing and this comment on the bug report just pisses me off, "Spoke with Kris and team on this and we agreed that this is too much work for little reward."

I'm stuck with FreeNAS Corral (◕︵◕)

I recommend you make an account on there and comment to the ticket so that iXsystems gets the picture that they are hurting more than one person.