when freenas reboots only i get this error

[Angelo]

Hello, i'm not sure where to start. I only get this error when i reboot freenas. It seems to get stuck at "_". Any ideas what i can do to resolve this. I think it's related to usb3?

Is there any logs I can post here to help you guys. I'm using a usb flash drive:
Patriot Autobahn 8GB USB Flash Drive (PSF8GLSABUSB) (orginal)
Kingston DataTraveler Micro 8GB Black USB Flash Drive (DTMCK/8GB)

Motherboard:
H87I-PLUS (what I had lying around)

any ideas i'd love to hear thanks

 

[gpsguy]

See the forum rules, in red above. Give us more details about your hardware and FreeNAS version.

Try plugging your flash drive into a USB 2.0 slot.

 

[Angelo]

it did the same thing in a usb2.0 port (front of case)

freenas version: FreeNAS-9.3-ALPHA-d5b165e-x64 (happens also on 9.2 versions)

motherboard: H87I-PLUS
cpu: Intel Core i5-4570S CPU @ 2.90GHz
RAM: 16gb kingston KHX1600C9D3L/8GX
Hard Drives: 4 wd re's 1tb raided, and two red's 4tb zfs (not that it matters)
Add-On cards: a quad intel nic (doens't matter as it's a hardware network card)

boots off usb currently using Patriot Autobahn 8GB USB Flash Drive (PSF8GLSABUSB) (orginal)
I attacked the outputs from linux so wordpad should read them fine in a zip.

like I said i'm open to ideas

 

[gpsguy]

See the last message in this thread, perhaps it'll work for you. http://forums.freenas.org/index.php...-stuck-in-shell-shutdown-startup-works.14277/

As I recall, there have been issues with some versions of the Data Traveler's, but I can't find the message.

 

[Angelo]

didn't work got stuck on this screen

 

[Angelo]

this is the error i get when I reboot with xhci disabled in bios or enabled (nothing i nothing in turnable)

 

[Knowltey]

See the last message in this thread, perhaps it'll work for you. http://forums.freenas.org/index.php...-stuck-in-shell-shutdown-startup-works.14277/

As I recall, there have been issues with some versions of the Data Traveler's, but I can't find the message.

I wasn't aware of this, but I'd believe it as I used a DataTraveler for a while as my OS drive and would routinely run into some weird thing going on in the GUI and then I'd run an fsck, it'd find something and then whatever it was would be fixed by that as well.

 

[gpsguy]

You might want to do a Google search of the forums: site:forums.freenas.org H87I-PLUS There have been some FreeNAS problems with that motherboard.

We wouldn't have recommend that mobo in the first place, since it doesn't support ECC RAM. Even if it did, you Core i-5 CPU doesn't either.

 

[Angelo]

there's nothing wrong with a non-ecc build for home use. That aside there are many products on the market that are lesser and work just as well as "enterprise" grade setups for home use. I don't need 6 9's. All I'm looking for is storage array and some vm offloading to iscsi which that cpu and mobo can easily do.
That thread from google i've already been reading it today. Yes its nice to have ECC and a xeon however not every build would require it. With the cost differance i'd rather go with a second box for backups then ecc anyways for home as I'm not looking for 7 9's doing 7 9's at home is stupid and costly. As well this still doesn't take into account a backup which ideal shouldn't be on the same array to begin with. If we were to go this path having one psu is a big issue, hell lets make sure we also have two seperate power sources while we are at it.

I'm not sure if you were trying to be comical or being serious and you said ECC is recommended...

btw the ram you recommend doens't always work.

for that 3 seconds of downtime prevention you have a 8% - 20% chance per dimm that the error will be caught. now if I was to have a separate box my odds of that also being corrupted at the same like is much less if backups were properly maintained... hmm wonder which i'd go with. Anyways i'm going off topic on my issue. I'd definitely use ECC ram if I had a large array however for 6 - 12 hds ECC is overkill and actually isn't anymore reliable. For this server if it gives me 1 9 i'd be happy. I'm not expecting it to be enterprise just better than a drobo or synology (prob not synology).

Reference:
http://www.cs.toronto.edu/~bianca/papers/sigmetrics09.pdf

DIY NAS guides
http://blog.brianmoses.net/2014/01/diy-nas-2014-edition.html

nuff said

 

[cyberjock]

He wasn't being comical. He was serious. ECC is a pretty good idea with ZFS. If you disagree you are welcome too. The warnings are there because of how many have suffered a loss of pool because of non-ECC RAM.

Even at that, server-grade is still recommended even if you go with non-ECC RAM. As soon as you start going with server-grade you are talking a different engineering philosophy and different designs. You've got server chipsets that are designed to have features that aren't in desktop (ECC being one of the more well known) as well as other things.

So while you might say you don't need seven 9's, you still should have gone with server chipsets and such for the other reasons.

You can argue your side all you want. Doesn't change the fact that you are flat out better off with server-grade. Notice that your error is basically unheard of.. that's because desktop grade stuff brings its own little problems to the table. Sometimes they are unnoticeable and sometimes it prevents you from even booting FreeNAS.

Good luck to you!

 

[Angelo]

I do have xeons here however i'd never consider using them for freenas. One of the reasons I prefer this itx over it is size, power use, noise. Server grade hardware has its own share of issues which at home would be an issue while in a enterprise environment it is acceptable. Blushing off the issue as well you should of went with server grade hardware is comical. Doesn't resolve the issue. It seems to be related to USB3 which was rare on the server side not anymore though. At home I don't need a 10k nas... a sub 2k nas is enough. My issue is just with rebooting it appears to be freenas related could be a setting perhaps with the usb device or usb flash hardware thats why people ask others who gone through it for input.

As well freenas is trying to enter home storage, will be interesting how many people you can convince to go to ECC setups for a simple 2-4 raid array...

 

[cyberjock]

Yeah, my system didn't cost me $2k.. and if you'd look around the server stuff is NOT more expensive than desktop stuff unless you are buying the cheapest of the cheap.

Anyway, good luck.

 

[Knowltey]

there's nothing wrong with a non-ecc build for home use.

There is plenty wrong with non-ecc for FreeNAS. The usage scenario doesn't come into play here. FreeNAS is designed to use the entire memory space for it's use. If you have errors in RAM, it's not like some Windows desktop computer where you might encounter the error, and maybe it'll cause damage. No, with FreeNAS you WILL encounter the memory error and it WILL cause damage, and you will eventually get an error somewhere in RAM as it gets older in age.

We have seen countless people that have lost their entire pools as well as their backups simply because they thought they were fine with non-ECC for a home usage scenario like you are suggesting.

As cyberjock said, ECC support can be had for cheap. Hell, the Samsung 8GB ECC DIMM I bought the other day was actually cheaper ($70) than the cheapest trustworthy brand 8GB non-ECC DIMM ($~80) that I could find. My processor was just over 50 bucks and it is way powerful enough to meet home server usage needs, I haven't even hit .1 system load except during a scrub in the few days I've had it connected so far. My motherboard cost me $125. So all-in-all about $260 to get set up with ECC capable hardware, and that still isn't the cheapest option that you can go with.

It's just silly at this point to go with non-ECC for a home server when you can have it for just as much money as the non-ECC option, but the ECC option comes with peace of mind that you are protected against memory errors on the DIMMs.

 

[Ericloewe]

To reinforce the message:

ECC RAM is very reasonably priced.
Most of Intel's low-end CPUs support ECC, the Xeons are a small premium compared to i5s and i7s.
Server motherboards can be cheaper than equivalent desktop boards. Supermicro X10s are very reasonably priced and include a ton of stuff no desktop board has.

Not using ECC has come back to bite many people in the butt around here. The extra cost is minimal. The real cost is the amount of RAM, not ECC.

 

[Knowltey]

The extra cost is minimal.

Heck, even possibly cost less. The ECC build I did, if I wanted the same performance out of a non-ECC build would've cost me about $30 extra overall. So in my case ECC was actually cheaper than non-ECC.

 

[Angelo]

I have a working fix for the issue, as I suspected it was a freenas issue nothing to do with "ECC ram".

As I mentioned ECC is nice but is not required. If you’re going to go all gunho on a NAS build and not get good raid cards that will do the job right that ECC ram is moot. As I mentioned I can careless about the integrity of the data i'm not running mission critical data I can always retrieve it.. data corruption really isn't that common as you seem to think. I certainly wouldn't take the chance if it was a work pc. However it wouldn't be a mini itx either ;). I'd probably be looking at netapp.

 

[gpsguy]

So, how did you fix the problem?

Just in case another user shows up with a H87I-PLUS and is looking for a solution.

 

[cyberjock]

I have a working fix for the issue, as I suspected it was a freenas issue nothing to do with "ECC ram".

Cool story bro. We never said it had to do with ECC RAM either.

As I mentioned ECC is nice but is not required.

Cool story bro. We never said it was required either. Just that it was a really really good idea.