BUILD First FreeNAS build

[Antares16M26]

Hey guys ive been reading up on FreeNAS for the past month reading on the consumer boards vs server boards and the ecc ram vs non ecc ram debates. So this is my question on a built i will order ASAP when i get all the parts i need. My birthday is sep 8 so its a sort of self birthday gift/learning experience/media server.

I was looking up on these parts and see what you guys recommend since im a complete scrub on working with servers. The first list was a consumer build with amd parts since i wanted multiple cores (8 cores) for a FreeNAS + plex media server with at least 6-8 streams running at the same time (side note ive built gaming computers and helped people upgrade and fix computers so i have experience with computers and going for an Associates of applied science in information security in college).

This will be used to stream movies and music with plex media server and to backup some random files.

I currently have the power supply, the chassis, and the usb stick. Will also need help on a PSU since i got no experience on them.

For the ECC RAM and SERVER grade parts build this is what i have right now lol since i got no experience with server parts need help.

Motherboard (ALL THE SATA SLOTS): SUPERMICRO MBD-X10SL7-F-O uATX Server Motherboard LGA 1150 Intel C222 DDR3 1600
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813182821

ECC RAM: Crucial 16GB (2 x 8GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM ECC Unbuffered DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Server Memory Model CT2KIT102472BD160B
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148770

SERVER CHASSIS: Rosewill RSV-L4500 Black Metal/ Steel, 1.0 mm thickness , 4U Rackmount Server Chassis, 15 Internal Bays, 8 Included Cooling Fans
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811147164

UPS: CyberPower Intelligent LCD Series GreenPower UPS CP1000AVRLCD 1000VA 600 Watt 5 x 5-15R Battery/Surge Protected 4 x 5-15R Surge Protected Outlets UPS
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16842102082

USB DRIVE (used for FreeNAS OS and Plex): ADATA Value-Driven S102 Pro Effortless Upgrade 8GB USB 3.0 Flash Drive (Gray) Model AS102P-8G-RGY
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820211571

Power Supply : CORSAIR HX series HX650 650W ATX12V v2.2 / EPS12V 2.91 SLI 80 PLUS GOLD Certified Modular Active PFC Power Supply
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139086

Hard Drives 6 of them RaidZ2: Seagate Desktop HDD.15 ST4000DM000 4TB 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive Bare Drive
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822178338

Need help picking out the ECC RAM (i wanna start with 16GB then upgrade to 32GB later) and CPU for the server build and what you guys recommend i get. I am gonna fill up the chassis up in the future so from the looks of it i can go with 6 hard drives in RaidZ2 twice in 2 VDEV's in a single ZPOOL and a single 3 Drive in RaidZ1 in a separate ZPOOL and be used for backup of random files and such and get a single 1 slot sata card to fill up the last slot in my chassis to 15 drives can i do that? have 2 drives in the motherboard and the third one in the sata card and run it in a raid? How much i care about my data on a scale of 1 to 10 is a 6. Pretty much all this i can recover but will take time to build up my data back if a crash happens and lose my ZPOOL but i would like that not to happen.


P.S. Thanks for reading my wall of text and help :p

Update: Removed consumer built and I got the RAM picked out (is it compatible?). Is there any 8 core CPU's that will work with the motherboard or a CPU that can support 6-8 streams in plex? Would the Xeon E3-1230v2, Intel Xeon E3-1230V3 or the Intel E3-1231 v3 work?

Update 2: Going with the E3-1246 v3 with the motherboard i get a combo discount.
P.S. thx Knowltey and ALFA for being nice and helpful.

 

[ALFA]

Please from the beginning do yourself a favor and go with the server-grade parts, (Throw ECC to all) will save you many headache for "SDC" silent disk corruption, this is not the same as build up a gaming computer so the same logic does not apply.

For the Memory topic, I suggest you read Ericloewe's RAM recommendations for Supermicro X10 motherboards

PD. Do not go with RaidZ1, see why RaidZ1 is dead

 

[cyberjock]

I really am having a hard time determining if you are trolling us or not. You've provided 2 builds. One is basically "everything we recommend" and one is basically "nothing we recommend".

Do you think we're going to endorse the latter after ignoring just about every piece of advice we have?

Do you think we're going to suddenly change our mind after providing almost the same advice for more than 2 years?

If you aren't going to take our advice as we've written it in our stickies (which have many many hours put into each and every one) why would we give you advice again? Is it really worth our time to respond to someone *twice* on the same topic?

Like I said... can't tell if you are trolling us or not....

 

[Ericloewe]

Hey guys ive been reading up on FreeNAS for the past month reading on the consumer boards vs server boards and the ecc ram vs non ecc ram debates. So this is my question on a built i will order ASAP when i get all the parts i need. My birthday is sep 8 so its a sort of self birthday gift/learning experience/media server.

I was looking up on these parts and see what you guys recommend since im a complete scrub on working with servers. The first list is a consumer build with amd parts since i wanted multiple cores (8 cores) for a FreeNAS + plex media server with at least 6-8 streams running at the same time (side note ive built gaming computers and helped people upgrade and fix computers so i have experience with computers and going for an Associates of applied science in information security in college).

This will be used to stream movies and music with plex media server and to backup some random files.

I currently have the power supply, the chassis, the cpu (subject to return or keep based on responses) and the usb stick. Will also need help on a PSU since i got no experience on them.

Motherboard : GIGABYTE GA-990FXA-UD5 AM3+ AMD 990FX SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX AMD Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128509

Power Supply : CORSAIR HX series HX650 650W ATX12V v2.2 / EPS12V 2.91 SLI 80 PLUS GOLD Certified Modular Active PFC Power Supply
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139086

CPU: AMD FX-8350 Black Edition Vishera 8-Core 4.0GHz (4.2GHz Turbo) Socket AM3+ 125W Desktop Processor FD8350FRHKBOX
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819113284

16GB NON ECC RAM: Crucial Ballistix Sport 16GB (2 x 8GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Low Profile Desktop Memory Model BLS2K8G3D1609ES2LX0
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148663

USB DRIVE (used for FreeNAS OS and Plex): ADATA Value-Driven S102 Pro Effortless Upgrade 8GB USB 3.0 Flash Drive (Gray) Model AS102P-8G-RGY
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820211571

CPU COOLER: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO - CPU Cooler with 120 mm PWM Fan
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103099

UPS: CyberPower Intelligent LCD Series GreenPower UPS CP1000AVRLCD 1000VA 600 Watt 5 x 5-15R Battery/Surge Protected 4 x 5-15R Surge Protected Outlets UPS
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16842102082

SERVER CHASSIS: Rosewill RSV-L4500 Black Metal/ Steel, 1.0 mm thickness , 4U Rackmount Server Chassis, 15 Internal Bays, 8 Included Cooling Fans
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811147164

Hard Drives 6 of them RaidZ2: Seagate Desktop HDD.15 ST4000DM000 4TB 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive Bare Drive
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822178338


For the ECC RAM and SERVER grade parts build this is what i have right now lol since i got no experience with server parts need help.


Motherboard (ALL THE SATA SLOTS): SUPERMICRO MBD-X10SL7-F-O uATX Server Motherboard LGA 1150 Intel C222 DDR3 1600
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813182821

SERVER CHASSIS: Rosewill RSV-L4500 Black Metal/ Steel, 1.0 mm thickness , 4U Rackmount Server Chassis, 15 Internal Bays, 8 Included Cooling Fans
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811147164

UPS: CyberPower Intelligent LCD Series GreenPower UPS CP1000AVRLCD 1000VA 600 Watt 5 x 5-15R Battery/Surge Protected 4 x 5-15R Surge Protected Outlets UPS
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16842102082

USB DRIVE (used for FreeNAS OS and Plex): ADATA Value-Driven S102 Pro Effortless Upgrade 8GB USB 3.0 Flash Drive (Gray) Model AS102P-8G-RGY
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820211571

Power Supply : CORSAIR HX series HX650 650W ATX12V v2.2 / EPS12V 2.91 SLI 80 PLUS GOLD Certified Modular Active PFC Power Supply
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139086

Hard Drives 6 of them RaidZ2: Seagate Desktop HDD.15 ST4000DM000 4TB 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive Bare Drive
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822178338

Need help picking out the ECC RAM (i wanna start with 16GB then upgrade to 32GB later) and CPU for the server build and what you guys recommend i get. I am gonna fill up the chassis up in the future so from the looks of it i can go with 6 hard drives in RaidZ2 twice in 2 VDEV's in a single ZPOOL and a single 3 Drive in RaidZ1 in a separate ZPOOL and be used for backup of random files and such and get a single 1 slot sata card to fill up the last slot in my chassis to 15 drives can i do that? have 2 drives in the motherboard and the third one in the sata card and run it in a raid? How much i care about my data on a scale of 1 to 10 is a 6. Pretty much all this i can recover but will take time to build up my data back if a crash happens and lose my ZPOOL but i would like that not to happen.


P.S. Thanks for reading my wall of text and help :p

There's a very nice new sticky on choosing RAM for the Supermicro X10SL7-F and other X10 motherboards. I should know, I wrote it ;)

 

[Knowltey]

Your first build does not support ECC. If you've read all the information about ECC you should well know not to run non-ECC in a server if you want any peace of mind.

You also don't need a Hyper 212 cooler. The stock cooler is fine. You won't be doing any overclocking. Overclocking the processor on a server is ASKING for data corruption. Even overclocks tested as being stable for 48+ hours on gaming computers still corrupt the data from time to time, I know this plenty well from my gaming rig. You DO NOT, I repeat DO NOT overclock servers. I know you didn't mention overclocking, but that would be literally the only use for that large of a heatsink in a server. (Also I highly doubt it would fit in your selected chassis anyways)

Also, what ALFA says is half true. RAIDZ1 is dead for large hard drives. If you want to do the "extra backups" pool make sure the drives are small (personally I'd say 500 or less). I assume you'll be having out of server backups for the server as well and this isn't your only backup? If that's the case don't worry all too much about the "RAID5 is dead" thing since you'll be able to restore it easily enough and in your usage scenario you are just using it as an extra copy more or less so if that pool actually does die in a rebuild you aren't actually going to be losing data. Just make sure you are aware of the heightened pool failure during rebuild possibility that RAID5/Z1 carries with it. Although personally I would just consider a simple mirror over RAIDZ1 for an "extra copies" pool.

As long as the RAIDZ2 also has at least one copy of all of the data on the RAIDZ1 as well as one "offsite" backup then you should be fine with whatever really for your extra copies pool.

 

[ALFA]

Also, what ALFA says is half true. RAIDZ1 is dead for large hard drives. If you want to do the "extra backups" pool make sure the drives are small (personally I'd say 500 or less). I assume you'll be having out of server backups for the server as well and this isn't your only backup? If that's the case don't worry all too much about the "RAID5 is dead" thing since you'll be able to restore it easily enough and in your usage scenario you are just using it as an extra copy more or less so if that pool actually does die in a rebuild you aren't actually going to be losing data. Just make sure you are aware of the heightened pool failure during rebuild possibility that RAID5/Z1 carries with it. Although personally I would just consider a simple mirror over RAIDZ1 for an "extra copies" pool.

Its true Knowltey, Raid5/z1 for low density disks it may be possible, but still you are taking a risk with your precious data, and will be the opposite of what you want to do, that is back it up to the best. as well Knowltey said, if you go with this way, make sure you have an extra backup elsewhere. At bottom line I would say, remember that RAID should not be taken as a backup solution. its hardware redundancy for the sole purpose of providing uninterrupted business continuity in the event of a hardware failure. Redundancy is not backup.

 

[Knowltey]

Its true Knowltey, Raid5/z1 for low density disks it may be possible, but still you are taking a risk with your precious data, and will be the opposite of what you want to do, that is back it up to the best. as well Knowltey said, if you go with this way, make sure you have an extra backup elsewhere. At bottom line I would say, remember that RAID should not be taken as a backup solution. its hardware redundancy for the sole purpose of providing uninterrupted business continuity in the event of a hardware failure. Redundancy is not backup.

Yeah, if he was looking at it for his main pool I'd be steering him away, but since he's just doing it to store additional copies of data that he already has on a RAIDZ2 it shouldn't be all that big of a deal. If he loses the pool he can easily create it again from the original copies.

 

[Antares16M26]

The RaidZ1 pool is gonna be backed up from another computer so its all good on that part. The RaidZ2 Pool will not be backed up except the most important data for easy recovery the rest of the data can be recovered from different sources.

 

[Antares16M26]

Is the ram i chose compatible?

I got these cpu's im looking at i need some help for this last part. I am going to run 6-8 streams simultaneously at max with 3 720p anime streams at around 2.0 mb + ac3/aac 2.0/5.1 and 3 1080p movies at 10.0mb + dts do you think one of these will run well?

The motherboard supports Single socket H3 (LGA 1150) Intel® Xeon® E3-1200 v3 so might as well go with the latest version.
http://www.supermicro.com/products/motherboard/Xeon/C220/X10SL7-F.cfm

cpu chart
http://ark.intel.com/search/advanced?s=t&FamilyText=Intel® Xeon® Processor E3 v3 Family

E3-1230 v3 @ 3.30GHz - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116906
E3-1231 v3 3.40GHz - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819117316
E3-1240 v3 @ 3.40GHz - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116905
E3-1241 v3 @ 3.5GHz - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819117315
E3-1245 v3 @ 3.40GHz - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116909
E3-1246 v3 @ 3.50GHz - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819117318

is the 763 cpu mark difference worth it from 1230 to a 1246?

https://support.plex.tv/hc/en-us/ar...kind-of-CPU-do-I-need-for-my-Server-computer-

based on above site as reference

'' The Guideline
Very roughly speaking, for a single full-transcode of a video, the following PassMark scores are a good guideline for a requirement:

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  • 1080p/10Mbps: 2000 PassMark
  • 720p/4Mbps: 1500 PassMark

The CPU Benchmark website is a good resource to see what sort of PassMark score a particular processor received.

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  • When used locally, Plex Home Theater almost never requires transcoding
  • The majority of other Plex Apps will require transcoding at least sometimes ''

looks like i can run around 7 anime streams or 5 1080p streams or 3 anime streams and 3 1080p streams simultaneously if run out of the house and i bet i can run way more if i run it in my home connection.

 

[Knowltey]

Is the ram i chose compatible?

This is the RAM I got recently for my SuperMicro motherboard and it works fine: https://www.superbiiz.com/detail.php?name=D38GRE160S

You're probably fine with the Crucial though. If not you can always just return it and get a different one.