CrashPlan, Plex 1, ssd & 5 x 4tb HDD's wrong volume being used.

[inpowers]

Hi Again 2nd post coming up.

I have finally made up my server and have installed Freenas 3 times.
I have installed the Plex Media Server plugin as per Byte My Bits Video.
How To Install Plex on FreeNAS + SSD
I also managed to install the plugin of crashplan and configured it to backup my local pc which works like a dream.
The problem that I am have is that crashplan is backing up to the SSD Drive that is only 250gb which is set to Plexmediaserver jail.
I have 5 x 4tb HDD RAIDZ as the MediaVolume and would like crashplan to backup to it NOT the SSD.

How do I go about changing the backup volume from Jail/crashplan_1 to Crashplanjail.
I have checked in Crashplan on my local PC but it only comes up with the destination file as crashplan_1.

I have tried to adjust the above setting but when I get to the destination it only give me the jails SSD file.
Any help would be much appreciated.

inpowers

 

[m0nkey_]

You can't have jails in two locations. If you change the jail root, you wont be able to start any jails in the old root. What you're supposed to do is assign storage to the jail if you want to use a different pool.

http://doc.freenas.org/9.3/freenas_jails.html#add-storage

 

[inpowers]

You can't have jails in two locations. If you change the jail root, you wont be able to start any jails in the old root. What you're supposed to do is assign storage to the jail if you want to use a different pool.

http://doc.freenas.org/9.3/freenas_jails.html#add-storage

Hi mOnkey

Sorry for the late reply as I have been away.
I have read up on the link above and the way that I understand it that it can't be done.
It can only be saved onto the same SDD where the jail is keeped and not the raidZ HDD's.
I might start again from scratch and try install the crashplan first then the Plex.

Regards
inpowers_

 

[pirateghost]

Hi mOnkey

Sorry for the late reply as I have been away.
I have read up on the link above and the way that I understand it that it can't be done.
It can only be saved onto the same SDD where the jail is keeped and not the raidZ HDD's.
I might start again from scratch and try install the crashplan first then the Plex.

Regards
inpowers_

You can assign storage to a jail.

Therefore you can create a jail wherever you like, assign storage to it (maybe storage located on an ssd?) And configure it to use the mount point the application expects to use.

This is all very trivial.

 

[SweetAndLow]

Hi mOnkey

Sorry for the late reply as I have been away.
I have read up on the link above and the way that I understand it that it can't be done.
It can only be saved onto the same SDD where the jail is keeped and not the raidZ HDD's.
I might start again from scratch and try install the crashplan first then the Plex.

Regards
inpowers_

Wrong, it can be done the way you want and your screen shots even show that you stated to set it up. In that screen shot the location /media in the jail would be the from your media volume pool not your ssd.

 

[inpowers]

Hi SweetAndLo
I have tried different set ups with the Source & Destination and it still shows it backing up to the SSD.
Or is this the way it shows it?
I would like to add a couple more PC to backup but if I do the SSD will be full instantly.
Can someone show me an example please with the set up that I have above.

Thanks

 

[SweetAndLow]

What makes you think it's backing up to the ssd? I think you don't understand what adding storage to a jail does.

 

[inpowers]

Well this is why I am asking the question.
Sorry for sounding stupid but this is a forum for asking question I am only new to Freenas.
In the Volume Storage area as above where it shows Plex jail this is the SSD.
The SSD is only 250GB and in the Plex/crashplan_1 where I assume it is backing up data too it is growing in size.
It is now at 85GB.
This is not part of a raid system it is only stripe.
So if the SSD shits itself I lose all the data.

 

[pirateghost]

Well this is why I am asking the question.
Sorry for sounding stupid but this is a forum for asking question I am only new to Freenas.
In the Volume Storage area as above where it shows Plex jail this is the SSD.
The SSD is only 250GB and in the Plex/crashplan_1 where I assume it is backing up data too it is growing in size.
It is now at 85GB.
This is not part of a raid system it is only stripe.
So if the SSD shits itself I lose all the data.

If you would read the link posted earlier....

You can't have jails in two locations. If you change the jail root, you wont be able to start any jails in the old root. What you're supposed to do is assign storage to the jail if you want to use a different pool.

http://doc.freenas.org/9.3/freenas_jails.html#add-storage

You need to stop thinking about where the JAIL is located and start thinking about where the STORAGE is located....

when you 'add storage' to a jail, you are pointing a mount point IN THE JAIL to another location on another dataset somewhere on your system. You then need to configure Crashplan to use that new location (the 'destination') to use for backups, based on your screenshots.

Your datasets/volumes do not make any sense. you have crashplan installed under plexjail volume?? why?

What you should do is start over and do it properly. put your jails on your big volume/dataset (mediavolume). configure storage for Plex's db to point to the SSD (to use as a cache/fast db access), and configure crashplan to use a dataset (new one that you make) on mediavolume.

 

[inpowers]

Hi pirateghost
Thanks for your reply.
I did read the link above a couple of times.
I think the problem is when I started to set up the Freenas box I used Byte My Bits You Tube video set up a Plex system with raid + SSD.
After Plex is installed I then add crashplan which it installs itself into the SSD drive not sure why as it does not ask me where to install it.
Ok I will take your advice and start over but install the crashplan 1st and then Plex 2nd.
This is all trail and error at the moment.

regards
inpowers

 

[pirateghost]

Hi pirateghost
Thanks for your reply.
I did read the link above a couple of times.
I think the problem is when I started to set up the Freenas box I used Byte My Bits You Tube video set up a Plex system with raid + SSD.
After Plex is installed I then add crashplan which it installs itself into the SSD drive not sure why as it does not ask me where to install it.
Ok I will take your advice and start over but install the crashplan 1st and then Plex 2nd.
This is all trail and error at the moment.

regards
inpowers

It doesn't matter what order you install a plugin/jail. You need to install them to the correct location. Your Plex database can live on the ssd and the jail can be installed anywhere else on your FREENAS.

 

[inpowers]

Ok now it starting to sink in.
This is the problem I am having, going of Byte My Bits video the Jail was installed onto the SSD not the raid drives.
This is why I have been unable to use the raid drives as my destination folder as the Add Storage does not let me add it to this section (destination).
It will only show the SSD where the jail was installed.
Does this sound correct?

My understanding was I was able to store the data where ever I wanted on the Freenas system which is not the case.

Thanks pirateghost
Its slowly coming together.

 

[pirateghost]

Ok now it starting to sink in.
This is the problem I am having, going of Byte My Bits video the Jail was installed onto the SSD not the raid drives.
This is why I have been unable to use the raid drives as my destination folder as the Add Storage does not let me add it to this section (destination).
It will only show the SSD where the jail was installed.
Does this sound correct?

My understanding was I was able to store the data where ever I wanted on the Freenas system which is not the case.

Thanks pirateghost
Its slowly coming together.

Stop following some random YouTube video and read the documentation.

You can store data wherever you like on freenas. You are incorrectly assuming stuff. You don't use the DESTINATION as your storage. The destination is where the storage is mounted INSIDE the jail.

 

[inpowers]

Ok you have just lost me again.
I have read over & over & over again the document to the link above.
Can you then please answer me these question.
If I have the Source as /mnt/MediaVolume/Crashplan as the dataset (I think the backup location)
and /mnt/Plexjail/jail/crashplan/media as the destination which is not the backup folder.
Then why is it that the jail/crashplan folder keeps increasing in size when a backup is performed?

Shouldn't the MediaVolume/crashplan be the fold that increases in size?
Should the jails have been initially installed in a dataset on the raid drives?.

Is there any chance of getting an example.

Thanks for being so helpful pirateghost

 

[pirateghost]

Stop.

What EXACTLY are you trying to achieve?

What you SHOULD do is wipe the jail pool. It's just a clusterfuck at this point.

Install your jails to a dataset on your normal raidzx array.

Stop.

Then tell us what you want to do next before you do it.

 

[inpowers]

I would like to have all the Plex media (movies,photos,music) sit in the the raidz say media folder
and have all the Plex data base sit in the SSD.
Crashplan & Plex will both be installed in a jail folder on the raidz array NOT the SSD.
Seeing crashplan will be installed on the raidz array this will keep the SSD free from crashplan now.

 

[danb35]

and have all the Plex data base sit in the SSD.

Why? Why do you care where the Plex database is? I guess access might be marginally faster if it's on an SSD, but is that really something that's a concern for you? This just seems like you're adding complication to your configuration for no reason. But, if you insist on doing it this way, here's how I'd do it:

• Delete your existing jails
• In Jails -> Configuration, set Jail Root to be /mnt/MediaVolume/jail
• In Storage, detach your "PlexJail" volume, and check the box to "mark disks as new"--this will wipe that volume
• Create a new volume with your SSD, and call it something more descriptive like "SSDpool"
• Create a dataset on that volume called plex_database
• Create a jail for Plex following the first few steps here: https://forums.freenas.org/index.ph...all-plex-in-a-freenas-9-3-jail-updated.19412/
• Add the plex_database dataset as storage to the Plex jail. The source would be /mnt/SSDpool/plex_database/, and the destination would be /var/lib/plexmediaserver/
• Continue with the remaining instructions from https://forums.freenas.org/index.ph...all-plex-in-a-freenas-9-3-jail-updated.19412/
• Add the CrashPlan plugin.

Or, what might be a simpler way to go about it:

• Install both the Plex and Crashplan jails (as well as any future jails) to the SSD pool
• Create a dataset on the main pool for Crashplan's backup storage
• Mount that dataset to the Crashplan jail

With this configuration, the Crashplan software itself is running on the SSD, along with the Plex software. But the data that your backup clients are saving to the Crashplan plugin is going onto your main (i.e., HDD) pool, not the SSDs.

Or, to simplify things even further:

• Get rid of the SSD. It isn't really doing anything for you anyway, and it's adding considerable complication and confusion.

 

[pirateghost]

Why? Why do you care where the Plex database is? I guess access might be marginally faster if it's on an SSD, but is that really something that's a concern for you? This just seems like you're adding complication to your configuration for no reason. But, if you insist on doing it this way, here's how I'd do it:

• Delete your existing jails
• In Jails -> Configuration, set Jail Root to be /mnt/MediaVolume/jail
• In Storage, detach your "PlexJail" volume, and check the box to "mark disks as new"--this will wipe that volume
• Create a new volume with your SSD, and call it something more descriptive like "SSDpool"
• Create a dataset on that volume called plex_database
• Create a jail for Plex following the first few steps here: https://forums.freenas.org/index.ph...all-plex-in-a-freenas-9-3-jail-updated.19412/
• Add the plex_database dataset as storage to the Plex jail. The source would be /mnt/SSDpool/plex_database/, and the destination would be /var/lib/plexmediaserver/
• Continue with the remaining instructions from https://forums.freenas.org/index.ph...all-plex-in-a-freenas-9-3-jail-updated.19412/
• Add the CrashPlan plugin.

Or, what might be a simpler way to go about it:

• Install both the Plex and Crashplan jails (as well as any future jails) to the SSD pool
• Create a dataset on the main pool for Crashplan's backup storage
• Mount that dataset to the Crashplan jail

With this configuration, the Crashplan software itself is running on the SSD, along with the Plex software. But the data that your backup clients are saving to the Crashplan plugin is going onto your main (i.e., HDD) pool, not the SSDs.

Or, to simplify things even further:

• Get rid of the SSD. It isn't really doing anything for you anyway, and it's adding considerable complication and confusion.

He followed a YouTube video. They told him to complicate things and the things he's complicating, he doesn't understand.

Yet another reason that random YouTube videos are harming everyone.

 

[SweetAndLow]

I'll point out that you keep worrying about where destination is when mounting storage but it has nothing to do with what pool/dataset crashplan backs up to. The source is where the data will end up.

 

[depasseg]

You can't easily just put the plex DB on the SSD, but you can easily use the ssd for all of your jails and then as others have mentioned mount the media folder inside the jail.