WHY?

[Nick Howard]

Has my thread being deleted?

 

[cyberjock]

Yes. That kind of language isn't acceptable...

 

[Nick Howard]

Ok well I accept that...I was angry at your abrupt reply. I've gathered from reading back over 100's of posts here that you don't take likely to people that aren't as clued up as much as yourself on all things freeNAS and ZFS. I just presumed that this was a forum for people interested in Freenas and gaining more knowledge in all things freeNas regardless of their background...I was obviously wrong.

thanks anyway CJ, You've done nothing but come across as an Obnoxious **** **** and I have no desire to come back here.

 

[cyberjock]

It is. For people that take the time to read the manual and the other documentation that we've spent stupendous amounts of time to write and maintain. And one of our very first cardinal rules that is documented all over is "don't virtualize FreeNAS".

It's been so bad we don't even entertain questions regarding virtualzing FreeNAS.

 

[D4nthr4x]

Well Cyberjock's dog is obviously a bully http://www.whole-dog-journal.com/issues/9_5/features/Canine_Aggression_Socialization_15805-1.html so maybe that's why.

 

[cyberjock]

Well Cyberjock's dog is obviously a bully http://www.whole-dog-journal.com/issues/9_5/features/Canine_Aggression_Socialization_15805-1.html so maybe that's why.

I will bite you!

 

[Nick Howard]

It is. For people that take the time to read the manual and the other documentation that we've spent stupendous amounts of time to write and maintain. And one of our very first cardinal rules that is documented all over is "don't virtualize FreeNAS".

It's been so bad we don't even entertain questions regarding virtualzing FreeNAS.

I understand that, but as a snapshot replication target I wasn't so sure on. Hence why I asked the question. Obviously a stupid one...I just didn't need to be made to feel like a complete idiot for asking.

I appreciate people have spent hours on documenting things here, I've read as much as possible and appreciate the time that people must have put into it. I can only appologise for not being up to CJ's standard.

 

[cyberjock]

I don't think anyone has said "except for replication". The only safe method of using FreeNAS in a VM is experimenting, which is clearly explained in the FreeNAS wiki.

 

[Nick Howard]

Again very helpful CJ... thanks but forget it anyway, I'l learn things else where. it's my last post here as you're about as welcoming as genital warts.

 

[D4nthr4x]

Cyberjock is very to the point, being nice isn't as important. Especially when it's posted everywhere. Discouraging people from asking easily findable/readily explained concepts promotes self learning which is a major part of freenas/freebsd/zfs. Not reading first will cost you your data, and it's easier to either learn that early or get "intimidated" away from the product than to deal with everyone begging for help recovering lost data. For the most part people see freenas/zfs as their backup solution so if you just go in thinking "oh this will be easy I don't need to think about it, I saw some asshole on youtube tell me it's good to store my data on this" you are going to get burned, we have to break that mentality to ensure that people understand what they are getting into. Or at least that's what I see when I read cyberjock's posts.

 

[Nick Howard]

Cyberjock is very to the point, being nice isn't as important. Especially when it's posted everywhere. Discouraging people from asking easily findable/readily explained concepts promotes self learning which is a major part of freenas/freebsd/zfs. Not reading first will cost you your data, and it's easier to either learn that early or get "intimidated" away from the product than to deal with everyone begging for help recovering lost data. For the most part people see freenas/zfs as their backup solution so if you just go in thinking "oh this will be easy I don't need to think about it, I saw some asshole on youtube tell me it's good to store my data on this" you are going to get burned, we have to break that mentality to ensure that people understand what they are getting into. Or at least that's what I see when I read cyberjock's posts.

I understand that fully, and to be totally truthful the data I have stored on my freenas at present isn't the bee all and end all. I have several backups of my photo's and music collection regardless. I just came here trying to learn as much as possible without sounding like a complete idiot. I have read the manual...3 times actually but it's a lot to take in. What isn't needed is to be made to feel like a complete **** when asking questions.

I'm willing to learn and read as much as is out there...I just need pointing in the right direction sometimes. I'm sorry If that comes across as wanting an easy fix.

 

[toadman]

I didn't see what happened to cause this thread. But while I do agree people should read readily available info, it's obvious there are times when certain folks on this forum do respond to people in what I would consider a disrespectful way.

My comment has been that if that's the way FreeNAS wants to represent itself, so be it. And having made that choice some people will opt out, which is of course their choice. So if folks realize they all have their choices in life, all is good.

 

[toadman]

From another point of view, I do like that two people with dog pics on their profile are having conflict. I can only image how this might play out at a dog park. :)

 

[jkh]

My comment has been that if that's the way FreeNAS wants to represent itself, so be it. And having made that choice some people will opt out, which is of course their choice. So if folks realize they all have their choices in life, all is good.

Just to react to that one point, since people seem to really over-generalize from what they read here on the forum. FreeNAS isn't a person. It doesn't have any aspirations or opinions about "how it represents itself", just as no one person (developer, user, or "other")'s opinions can speak for the project as a whole. The project doesn't have a king or a spokesperson, for that matter, so if you're looking for an "official opinion", there isn't one available. What you read here or elsewhere therefore represents nothing more or less than the opinion of the person you're talking to. Please do try to keep that in mind, folks! Thanks.

 

[toadman]

Well, yes, of course, FreeNAS isn't a person. BUT...people do represent themselves as part of the team. And when a representative acts, people can take that action as representative of the team, so the FreeNAS team (which is a collective for sure) does incur the (mostly) positive or negative impact of that team member's actions. That's all I was saying.

Personally my experience is very much positive! :)

 

[cyberjock]

...so the FreeNAS team (which is a collective for sure) ...

You will be assimilated. Resistance is futile! You will comply! We will add your biological and technological distinctiveness to our own!

 

[Nick Howard]

The thing is, I'd read for weeks about all things Freenas and had taken in as much information as possible in a relatively short period of time. I didn't just jump into it and expect everything to run smoothly without the odd hickup. Coming from a non Unix background I excepted I'd need to research. To be honest without the information available on this forum I'd have been weeks further back than I am now. I'm thankful for the time people have put into things here. The fact is there's an awful lot to take in and I've found myself getting confused on a few issues along the way. What I didn't need was to be made to feel like a fool for asking a question.

I was aware that it's documented all over not to virtualize Freenas, but what I wasn't sure on was if It was possible to replicate a snapshot on a VM. I didn't think it was a ridiculous question, but I was certainly made to feel like it was. I think the reply was: No, you don't even know what you are doing! It's going to fail miserably!

As a forum admin, It's certainly not the reply I'd expect, but nevermind.

 

[Nick Howard]

I didn't see what happened to cause this thread. But while I do agree people should read readily available info, it's obvious there are times when certain folks on this forum do respond to people in what I would consider a disrespectful way.

My comment has been that if that's the way FreeNAS wants to represent itself, so be it. And having made that choice some people will opt out, which is of course their choice. So if folks realize they all have their choices in life, all is good.

Exactly, and it's the same person from what I've witnessed.

 

[DaPlumber]

Methinks the non-doberman dog doth protest too much. Forum lawyering isn't appreciated either.

If one reads the forum and docs diligently it should be blindingly obvious that one should (politely) open a discussion on ANYTHING VM related with: I'm trying to kick the tires on FreeNAS X, this is the issue. Did I trip over a problem with X or a VM-ism? If the latter can someone with experience of X on real hardware comment on X? Alas, poor me, I don't have enough spare hardware to experiment with. If I missed it written up somewhere a link would be appreciated.

:p

 

[Whattteva]

From another point of view, I do like that two people with dog pics on their profile are having conflict. I can only image how this might play out at a dog park. :)

Gold editor's choice award for best post of the thread. :p