nfs share async

[massmux]

Hello
i have a freenas 11.3. Need to export a dataset with unix nfs with async flag on. In a standard linux it's set on exports file. on freenas where can i find it?
thanks all

 

[Chris Moore]

I can't find a better reference quickly, but this should tell you what you need to know:

http://milek.blogspot.com/2010/05/zfs-synchronous-vs-asynchronous-io.html

 

[KrisBee]

Hello
i have a freenas 11.3. Need to export a dataset with unix nfs with async flag on. In a standard linux it's set on exports file. on freenas where can i find it?
thanks all

You shouldn't do this as it breaks the NFS protocol. Mount the client async and set sync=disabled on the exported zfs dataset is an alternative. You can use zilstat to show there is no zil activity.

AFAIK FreeBSD NFSv3/4 implementation defaults to operating in sync mode as per the protocol RFC docs. From memory, there is a global setting in sysctl which you can set 0 or 1, vfs.nfsd.async, but that's improper use of NFS.

Note the risks in http://milek.blogspot.co.uk/2010/05/zfs-synchronous-vs-asynchronous-io.html

 

[massmux]

I meant the following setting (as an example) which is used in exports file on a standard debian for example

/data 127.0.0.1(rw,async,no_subtree_check,fsid=100)

for what i know async is dangerous where the partition is shared between different clients at same time, while is less dangerous if just only one mount is used each time.
am i wrong?

the equivalent on freenas would be the async setting on the dataset?

 

[KrisBee]

Yes, you can do it in Linux, but I'd see it as potentially "unsafe" irrespective of the number of clients, as it breaks "all guarantees about server reboot recovery". (This is an old ref, but is pretty detailed on Linux NFS: http://nfs.sourceforge.net/).

This is exactly what the zfs zil provides for you, a means to recover/replay logged writes after a crash. So turning it off for a given dataset is a risk you have to weigh up.

Better to monitor zilstat activity and decide if a SLOG is of benefit to you.

 

[massmux]

what to say about a zilstat like this?

N-Bytes N-Bytes/s N-Max-Rate B-Bytes B-Bytes/s B-Max-Rate ops <=4kB 4-32kB >=32kB
986880 986880 986880 1048576 1048576 1048576 8 0 0 8
5196712 5196712 5196712 5636096 5636096 5636096 43 0 0 43
4085680 4085680 4085680 4456448 4456448 4456448 34 0 0 34
384 384 384 131072 131072 131072 1 0 0 1
808896 808896 808896 1048576 1048576 1048576 8 0 0 8
102176 102176 102176 335872 335872 335872 4 0 0 4
67696 67696 67696 393216 393216 393216 3 0 0 3
5743488 5743488 5743488 6291456 6291456 6291456 48 0 0 48
3594776 3594776 3594776 3801088 3801088 3801088 29 0 0 29
1474784 1474784 1474784 1572864 1572864 1572864 12 0 0 12
3370144 3370144 3370144 3801088 3801088 3801088 29 0 0 29
643920 643920 643920 786432 786432 786432 6 0 0 6
5787504 5787504 5787504 6365184 6365184 6365184 50 0 0 50
1713784 1713784 1713784 2039808 2039808 2039808 17 0 0 17
...

in the document you linked i read:
"""
For the Linux implementation of NFS Version 3, using the "async" export option to allow faster writes is no longer necessary. NFS Version 3 explicitly allows a server to reply before writing data to disk, under controlled circumstances. It allows clients and servers to communicate about the disposition of written data so that in the event of a server reboot, a Version 3 client can detect the reboot and resend the data.
"""

 

[KrisBee]

To quote the man linux pages for exports(5):

async

This option allows the NFS server to violate the NFS protocol and reply to requests before any changes made by that request have been committed to stable storage (e.g. disc drive).

Using this option usually improves performance, but at the cost that an unclean server restart (i.e. a crash) can cause data to be lost or corrupted.

But, this is FreeNAS, so I don't know what made you think you needed the equivalent of a linux async export. I presume you're using FreeNAS and zfs storage for its "data integrity", setting sync=disabled on a NFS exported dataset weakens this.

I wouldn't like to comment on your zilstat figures as you don't say what the client is doing. Key question is, does the performance hit make a SLOG worthwhile?

This may be of interest: https://forums.freenas.org/index.php?threads/testing-the-benefits-of-slog-using-a-ram-disk.56561/

 

[massmux]

Kris thank you. sorry for lack of informations.
I would like to export nfs shares and use to make storage repositories for xenserver virtualmachines disks. on freenas i have 10 disks 6TB each in raidz2. with iscsi i have a performance (writing) of about 50MB/s, while with NFS (sync mode) i drop to 5MB/s that is definitely unusable

 

[KrisBee]

The "ram disk as SLOG" test will determine if NFS can perform as you need.

 

[Chris Moore]

Hello
i have a freenas 11.3. Need to export a dataset with unix nfs with async flag on. In a standard linux it's set on exports file. on freenas where can i find it?
thanks all

Sorry, but you should have started with telling what you were trying to accomplish instead of just asking how to make it asynchronous.
The thing you probably need is a SLOG device.
Please give a full account of the things you want to accomplish and the hardware you are using.

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[massmux]

sorry for confusion.
situation is:

10 disks 6TB each, in raidz2
machine has 64GB RAM
freenas 11.4
about 10 datasets exported as NFS shares
shares are mounted on client's side by xenserver to create storage. on that storage the VMs' disks are placed.

all works but the VM (whose disk is on the mounted shares) is very slow in writing, about 10time more than a iscsi (freenas) storage.
My goal would be to arrive at least near iscsi io performances

 

[Chris Moore]

I don't recall seeing any posts about using FreeNAS that way before, but it sounds like a SLOG device is indicated.
You mentioned iSCSI performance, is that from another server?
Does the server running this have available PCIe slots?

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[massmux]

iscsi is created on the same freenas in order to compare.
""
I don't recall seeing any posts about using FreeNAS that way before
"""
what do you mean? it's a normal dataset share exported in NFS. nothing special

no pcie slots :(

 

[Chris Moore]

No PCIe slots. That's going to be a limiting factor.
Would you give me some details on the hardware you are using?

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[massmux]

here it is

10 x 6 TB SATA 3 Gb/s 7200 rpm HDD Enterprise-class

64 GB DDR3 ECC RAM

Intel® Xeon® E5-1650 v2 Hexa-Core

1 GBit/s-Port

 

[Chris Moore]

64 GB DDR3 ECC RAM

Intel® Xeon® E5-1650 v2 Hexa-Core

What kind of system board is it that has a Xeon but no PCIe slots?
What kind of chassis is this in?
If you want to get good performance, you are going to need to make changes. Among those changes may be the need to replace the system board with one that has expansion slots. Depending on the chassis you have your system in, it may also need to have a larger case to accomodate the larger system board. Sorry for this, but to do more, more hardware is needed. The reason for the need of a PCIe slot is, the best slog device is a PCIe card NVMe drive such as the Intel DC P3700.

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820167232

This is an example, and not the only solution.

 

[massmux]

to create a slog, cannot be fine also a usb drive or stick?

 

[Chris Moore]

Well, there's at least two important features of good SLOG device. One of those is blazing fast speed. I don't think you're going to get that with a USB device.
If the SLOG isn't fast it isn't doing you any good.

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[c32767a]

for what i know async is dangerous where the partition is shared between different clients at same time, while is less dangerous if just only one mount is used each time.
am i wrong?

For your use, you need to have working sync writes. They *can* be disabled, but you will risk corruption and data loss.

to create a slog, cannot be fine also a usb drive or stick?

If you don't have a PCIe slot for an NVMe disk, a fallback would be to use an SSD on a SATA port.
You'll still need the appropriate type of SSD drive, one that has high IOPS performance.

SLOG devices rely on high IOPS, not necessarily high throughput. Your use case is basically the same as ESXi. There are a few threads on the forum that refer to using SSDs for SLOGs.. check any of those discussions for info on the best type of SSDs to use.

 

[Chris Moore]

to create a slog, cannot be fine also a usb drive or stick?

No.
Light reading on the subject:
https://www.servethehome.com/buyers...as-servers/top-picks-freenas-zil-slog-drives/