BUILD New Build : Ordered

[Marcet]

Hi all,

Having some issues with my current build (see link below), I've decided it will become my backup server.
https://forums.freenas.org/index.php?threads/asrock-rack-c2750d4i-cpu-temperature-issue.41528/

So I need your advices to make the perfect build ;)

The 10x WD Red 6 TB will go in the new build as I can use 10x WD Red 3 TB from my old server to the backup server.
I own a Lian-Li PC-9 http://www.lian-li.com/en/dt_portfolio/pc-9/ which can receive 10 disks with the proper racks.

So I mostly need advice for :

• The motherboard
• The memory
• The PSU

I've already read the Hardware recommendation post, so I think I will choose some SuperMicro motherboard and a Xeon. But I don't know what to choose.
I want a pretty high end system to be able to evolve software-wise and to last long.

My usage will be :

• Emby server
• Data server
• Some jails (Transmission, Owncloud, ...)

But I don't want to be limited if I want to do more in the future.
Moreover, I want a motherboard with a true socket with mounting holes for a valid cooling solution.
I'm a big fan of liquid cooling solutions from Corsair or Cooler Master.

Should I go single or dual cpu ?

I already have 32 Gb of Kingston memory on the C2750 AsRock motherboard, Can I reuse some for this new build as 16 Gb would certainly be enough for a backup server ?

Should I go 64 Gb ?

Now I'm listening to you : Fire at will... :D

 

[tvsjr]

If you're looking for expansion, the E3s limit you to a single socket and 64GB RAM (on the newer models). The E5-1650v3 seems to be the favorite mid-high tier CPU round these parts. If you really want dual-socket capability, that puts you into the E5-26xx family... which gets spendy.

You can't go wrong with a Supermicro motherboard - look at the buying guide for more info on picking exactly the right model.

 

[Marcet]

If you're looking for expansion, the E3s limit you to a single socket and 64GB RAM (on the newer models). The E5-1650v3 seems to be the favorite mid-high tier CPU round these parts. If you really want dual-socket capability, that puts you into the E5-26xx family... which gets spendy.

Thanks, this clarifies the Xeon lineup for me. I see the price could go up pretty fast. That will be a good guide also :D

As I understand, the E3 lineup is only Quad Core.
And the E5 is 8, 6 or 12 cores ?

You can't go wrong with a Supermicro motherboard - look at the buying guide for more info on picking exactly the right model.

I will have a closer look at it. I see a little clearer now with your explanations.

I was looking at your Home NAS, really impressive configuration.
Plenty of everything. What's your usage ? It seems overkill for a home server.

 

[religiouslyconfused]

And the E5 is 8, 6 or 12 cores ?

You can get an 18 core Xeon E5!

 

[Marcet]

You can get an 18 core Xeon E5!

That's Impressive!

Ok, let me rectify what I said about willing a pretty high system :D
I want a powerful system, but I do not need that kind of high end ;)

My usage will be : Emby server, Data server, Some jails (Transmission, Owncloud, ...).
And maybe some virtualization, (home/office mail server) if it's possible (but that's another story).

 

[Mirfster]

What is your budget? That should help others give you advice that is better allocated to your wallet. ;)

 

[SweetAndLow]

So an e3 system with 32GB of memory will work just fine for you. But you might push the memory limits with that much storage if you expect a certain level of performance. Performance is the real question here.

I might suggest you look at a e5 system with 16GB dimms so you don't really have a memory restriction.

 

[religiouslyconfused]

That's Impressive!

Ok, let me rectify what I said about willing a pretty high system :D
I want a powerful system, but I do not need that kind of high end ;)

My usage will be : Emby server, Data server, Some jails (Transmission, Owncloud, ...).
And maybe some virtualization, (home/office mail server) if it's possible (but that's another story).

And it's a E5-2xxx CPU so you can use it in a dual socket config! Model number is E5-2699 v3. E3 is good, but E5 can be had for not much more depending on how you configure your system and you can use 16GB dimms as well as Registered DIMM's which are easier to find as Xeon E3 requires Unbuffered ECC DIMM's while E5 can use Registered though E5-16xx can use Unbuffered ECC as well.

http://ark.intel.com/products/81061/Intel-Xeon-Processor-E5-2699-v3-45M-Cache-2_30-GHz

 

[religiouslyconfused]

That's Impressive!

Ok, let me rectify what I said about willing a pretty high system :D
I want a powerful system, but I do not need that kind of high end ;)

My usage will be : Emby server, Data server, Some jails (Transmission, Owncloud, ...).
And maybe some virtualization, (home/office mail server) if it's possible (but that's another story).

edit: double post

 

[Marcet]

What is your budget? That should help others give you advice that is better allocated to your wallet. ;)

My AsRock C2750D4I + 32 Go RAM + PSU cost me about 800 €

Considering that I want something better I would say 1 500 € will be a good starting point.
But if going to 2 000 € represents a real benefit, I'm ok for it.

I must also consider the gear my usual reseller can provide (I will post a list of motherboards easily available).
If you know a good online reseller in Europe, I'm interested.

List of motherboards (Green is available) :
http://www.ldlc.com/informatique/pieces-informatique/carte-mere/c4293/+fb-C000034263.html

List of Xeon Processors (again green is available) :
http://www.ldlc.com/informatique/pieces-informatique/processeur/c4300/+fv579-1731,7779.html

That's weird, a lot of Socket 2011-3 Xeon available but no motherboards which are with 2011 socket.

 

[Marcet]

So an e3 system with 32GB of memory will work just fine for you. But you might push the memory limits with that much storage if you expect a certain level of performance. Performance is the real question here.

I might suggest you look at a e5 system with 16GB dimms so you don't really have a memory restriction.

What's the sweet spot for memory matching my needs ? 64 GB ?

 

[Marcet]

And it's a E5-2xxx CPU so you can use it in a dual socket config! Model number is E5-2699 v3. E3 is good, but E5 can be had for not much more depending on how you configure your system and you can use 16GB dimms as well as Registered DIMM's which are easier to find as Xeon E3 requires Unbuffered ECC DIMM's while E5 can use Registered though E5-16xx can use Unbuffered ECC as well.

http://ark.intel.com/products/81061/Intel-Xeon-Processor-E5-2699-v3-45M-Cache-2_30-GHz

E5-2699 v3 is definitely out of budget :D
Interesting point about ECC memory types. I'll take that in consideration.

 

[Marcet]

I've make-up my mind and I think I will go for a full new configuration.

Here is what I've selected :

Chassis : X-CASE RM 316 PRO https://www.xcase.co.uk/x-case-rm-3...emperature-controlled-fans-309-00-x-case.html
PSU : SEASONIC SS-600H2U https://www.xcase.co.uk/seasonic-ss-600h2u-2u-80-psu-89-00-seasonic.html
MB : SUPERMICRO X10SRH-CLN4 https://www.xcase.co.uk/supermicro-...12gb-and-10-sata-3-6gb-321-00-supermicro.html
CPU : Intel Xeon V5-1650V3
Memory : 64 Gb DDR4 2133 ECC Registred Samsung / Hynix

I already own the disks and controller card.
It's more than my initial budget, but it will be far more durable, so it's worth it.

What do you think of this configuration ?

 

[Marcet]

I've asked for a quote at X-Case.
But I would like your opinion for this selection.

 

[Marcet]

I've just ordered the following config :

Chassis : X-CASE RM 316 PRO https://www.xcase.co.uk/x-case-rm-3...emperature-controlled-fans-309-00-x-case.html
PSU : SEASONIC SS-600H2U https://www.xcase.co.uk/seasonic-ss-600h2u-2u-80-psu-89-00-seasonic.html
MB : SUPERMICRO X10SRH-CLN4 https://www.xcase.co.uk/supermicro-...12gb-and-10-sata-3-6gb-321-00-supermicro.html
CPU : Intel Xeon E5-2640-V3 @ 2.60GHz
Cooler : Supermicro SNK-P0048AP4 2u Up Active cooler for Socket 2011
RAM : 64 GB Samsung Server 16GB DDR4 2133 ECC REG CL15

The rest of it will be my already owned :

Disks : 10x WD Red 6 TB
Controller card : IBM M1015 SAS2 SATA3 PCI-e RAID Controller Card LSI SAS9220-8i (flashed to LSI SAS 9211-8i IT mode)

 

[ChriZ]

Out of curiosity, why did you prefer the e5-2640 instead of the 1650?
The latter should be cheaper, their performance is similar and your motherboard does not support dual CPU.

 

[Marcet]

Out of curiosity, why did you prefer the e5-2640 instead of the 1650?
The latter should be cheaper, their performance is similar and your motherboard does not support dual CPU.

The 1650 was cheaper but not in stock. But It's not the only reason, I will try some running some VM so I wanted the 2 additional cores.

 

[ChriZ]

In that case I suggest you get the x10dri mobo (assuming the chassis has room..)
I see they are the same price with the one
you ordered and offers the ability to add a second CPU in case you need a future upgrade.
Of course the X10SRH-CLN4 has quad nics and the extra sas ports, but those you can get with additional pci-e cards, whereas you can't add a second CPU without changing the mobo.
In any case, xcase states that they can deliver any sm mobo whithin 2-3 days, so even looking for a dp mobo with a sas controller and quad nics would worth waiting 2-3 days to be delivered and offer yourself the ability for a dual cpu config in the future. Otherwise the extra 50% cost for the e5-2640 is not worth it.
Just my humble opinion, of course...
Edit: I see that, for example, the x10drh-cln4 supports two CPUs, has a sas controller and quad nics. Might be a bit expensive, though... But still, if it fits the chassis, might worth considering...

 

[Marcet]

I see your point. And I will not hesitate for a 50 % difference.
But in fact the price difference is less than 200 € and I need the sas ports.