The Holdout Club

[diedrichg]

Welcome to the The Holdout Club. If you are perfectly fine with your 9.10 install, welcome to the club.

I, for one, am just sitting back with my cheesy poofs watching the sh!t show in the Corral forum.

 

[m0nkey_]

Likewise. Remaining on 9.10 for the foreseeable future.

 

[fracai]

I love the Docker concept and what little I've seen of the new interface.

My main holdout is a migration path. I have a decent amount of work built up in existing jails and one VM. I very much appreciate the work done by the early adopters, but if I upgrade to Corral right now I'd have a sleepless night while I struggle to get the bare minimum working in Docker and then a week or more of downtime for a number of services that I currently run in jails. It's not even that much of a knowledge issue as I feel like I've done enough research to be comfortable porting things to Docker, but there's only so much that I can do ahead of time.

It would be a much easier transition if Corral supported jails and imported those when upgrading.

Alternatively, 9.10.3 is getting improved jail support and 9.10.4 is slated for Docker support. That's encouraging as well. At that point I could migrate my services from jails to Docker and then jump to Corral.

Ultimately, until there's an upgrade path I'm treating Corral like it's still in beta. The stability issues that seem to be present with Docker are helping to temper my upgrade itch as well.

 

[Jailer]

Kind of hard to move to Corral when I have over a month of uptime and the only messages on the IPMI console screen are me logging in via SSH. That's with 7 jails running various services too.

 

[Stux]

When Corral is ready for production use I shall move.

 

[hugovsky]

Yep. 9.10 seems right on spot.

 

[Spearfoot]

Yep. If it ain't broke, why fix it?

 

[adrianwi]

I'm still hanging onto 9.3.1, and don't know whether to upgrade to 9.10 (keeping the jails but losing vbox) or just move straight to Corral (losing jails but gaining new methods to create VMs). Going to be watching with interest how both options play out...

 

[Arwen]

Thank you for your welcome. I assume we have meetings, and free food, in addition
to free booze .

Mine is at 9.10 and will likely stay there for at least 6 more months. Perhaps a year.

I do like the concept of Dockers, since I was never able to get Jails or VMs to work
well. (Did not try that hard, as I really did not need them.)

Had a friend who was running Solaris 2.3 on his SPARC Station 10. When I talked
to him about Solaris 2.4 and that I was running it, he said it was too soon. He was
going to upgrade to Solaris 2.4 after 2.5 came out. The theory behind that, was by
then, Solaris 2.4 would have enough patches to be stable. He was right in some ways
because I did get bit by a CD-ROM file system bug in Solaris 2.4. Wasted at least
10 hours dealing with that one bug alone.

 

[Kevin Horton]

Alternatively, 9.10.3 is getting improved jail support and 9.10.4 is slated for Docker support. That's encouraging as well. At that point I could migrate my services from jails to Docker and then jump to Corral.

Where did you read that 9.10.4 will get Docker support? I'd love to see that, but I don't see it listed in the official Roadmap. I would have expected to see a Feature for Docker if it was really planned.

 

[fracai]

If you say something enough it becomes truth.

More seriously though, it seems that I'm reaching a bit.

https://forums.freenas.org/index.php?goto/post&id=362468#post-362468

Does this mean FN9 could do docker images eventually?

https://forums.freenas.org/index.php?threads/the-future-of-freenas-9.52207/page-3#post-362470

Well with VM support (which is already in nightlies for testing and will be released in 9.10.3) in theory you could already install RancherOS and install any docker image you want.
Bundled directly in FN9? There are not plans yet.

https://forums.freenas.org/index.php?threads/the-future-of-freenas-9.52207/page-3#post-364260

Potentially, yes, with one exception: bhyve in FN9 doesn't have the 9pfs driver which means that you won't be able to share host datasets with a container.

https://forums.freenas.org/index.php?threads/the-future-of-freenas-9.52207/page-4#post-364291

We might just cherry-pick these changes as well ;)
NFS/SMB is also always an alternative depending on the use-case.

So, I was conflating bhyve VM support, the ability to run docker therein, and 9pfs speculation to conclude that Docker was coming to 9.10.

Looking back, that's probably incredibly unlikely. My new plan is to migrate my jails to VMs and then migrate those to docker once I move to Corral.

 

[Mlovelace]

I might consider running Corral once TrueNAS is shipping with it by default, maybe.

 

[Spearfoot]

I might consider running Corral once TrueNAS is shipping with it by default, maybe.

Agreed!

Corral looks like it will be a great system, once the devs get all of the kinks worked out. But it's not ready for prime time yet, IMHO.

 

[gpsguy]

I might consider running Corral once TrueNAS is shipping with it by default, maybe.

Hopefully by then, they will have real docs for it too. ;-)

 

[Kevin Horton]

If you say something enough it becomes truth.

More seriously though, it seems that I'm reaching a bit.

Oh well - I was hoping that I had missed something.

Google did point me at one 9.10 user using Docker, but the lack of 9pfs support makes things more difficult. There is a recent Feature Request for 9p in 9.10, so maybe there is hope.

 

[Stux]

Thank you for your welcome. I assume we have meetings, and free food, in addition
to free booze :).

Mine is at 9.10 and will likely stay there for at least 6 more months. Perhaps a year.

I do like the concept of Dockers, since I was never able to get Jails or VMs to work
well. (Did not try that hard, as I really did not need them.)

Had a friend who was running Solaris 2.3 on his SPARC Station 10. When I talked
to him about Solaris 2.4 and that I was running it, he said it was too soon. He was
going to upgrade to Solaris 2.4 after 2.5 came out. The theory behind that, was by
then, Solaris 2.4 would have enough patches to be stable. He was right in some ways
because I did get bit by a CD-ROM file system bug in Solaris 2.4. Wasted at least
10 hours dealing with that one bug alone.

This is the approach I take with Mac OS X these days

 

[diedrichg]

Thank you for your welcome. I assume we have meetings, and free food, in addition
to free booze .

Oh, definitely. This is a social club whereas the Corral Early Adopters Anonymous (CEAA, pronounced "see" - as in - "see, I told you not to upgrade") group has required weekly meetings where they have to stand up, state their name and how long they've been using Corral. Some are hardcore addicts who have been using it since the Alpha days and they just can't stop upgrading it to the latest version because there is always a promise that a new feature was added or today's nightly fixes yesterday's nightly that broke SMB.

 

[adrianwi]

I cracked, and updated to 9.10.1-U4 last night

Was having problems creating SSL certificates using certbot and it was becoming a pain updating jails that were running a no-longer-supported version of FreeBSD. It went relatively pain-free and almost everything is working as it was before (some problems with OpenVPN to resolve, but most of the others I've found I've managed to fix). Didn't want to loose vbox just yet, but at least I can now start playing around with bhyte as a possible replacement.

Looked like a sensible approach given FreeNAS will be developed from 9.10 and not a complete change to Corral.

 

[Stux]

I'm running 11-RC at the moment