Areca/JBOD -- Smart? (9.3)

[ler]

It appears that the GUI generated SMART stuff doesn't seem to know that for my da* disks, it needs -d areca,(unit+1)

What information do I need to provide to get this fixed?

I'm running the latest 9.3-STABLE, on a Dusl Opteron (dual core), with 16GB memory, ARC-1160 controller.

 

[DrKK]

Sir:

AMD CPU's are not a good choice for FreeNAS, and Areca controllers are not a good choice for FreeNAS. A few moments with Google led me to something like 100 posts regarding the issue you were asking about. Here is a good starting point:

https://forums.freenas.org/index.php?threads/areca-raid-controllers-and-smart-support.12694/

 

[ler]

It's what I have -- and the price was right.

That said, I suspect it's not hard to make the GUI do the right thing.

 

[DrKK]

I believe sir that I have provided to you a starting point, and between that, and Google, you should be able to achieve whatever can be achieved with your setup. I suspect it may not be smooth sailing, however.

 

[ler]

It's running fine -- just want to get the SMART stuff running -- I'm a VERY experienced FreeBSD/etc admin.

 

[Ericloewe]

The problem is that the 9.3 GUI is designed with little beyond time to market in mind. It's a pain to add complications.

The 10 GUI is better, though.

 

[ler]

Is 10 stable enough for a personal NAS?

 

[gpsguy]

Probably not. On 6/27 jkh (CTO for iXsystems) wrote in a blog that "The first public demo will be at the end of M2, which is currently scheduled for August 15th, 2015. It’s still very early in our development cycle,"

 

[Ericloewe]

Definitely not.

It'll be a while before it reaches feature parity with 9.3, much less in a stable way.

 

[ler]

ok -- Then my question stands, and I'll stay on 9.3 :)

 

[gpsguy]

First, although this is a "bug reporting" section, the FreeNAS developers don't hang out on the forum.

You can submit bugs/features at: https://bugs.pcbsd.org/projects/freenas

If you open a ticket there, please post the number in this thread, in case future forum searches, turn up this message.

 

[ler]

https://bugs.freenas.org/issues/10458

 

[cyberjock]

You know, I'm sorry but this is just a bad idea. Did you even read that post I made? You do realize that was my own hardware with that problem in that other thread.

So what's the moral of the story? Areca controllers, even in JBOD mode, are not the best choice. Not only do they not let you run SMART tests, but their CLI lies about the hard drive status. I knew that it wouldn't let you run SMARt tests, so on my 24 port Norco case I have 4 drives that connect to the Intel SATA controller.

There is no fix for this. The Areca controllers I've tested (including yours) will not allow SMART tests to be run, period.

If this isn't enough to scare you away, you'd better buy a second system to do backups on. You're going to find out, first hand, how fast things go badly with important data. I was very lucky in that I monitor my system extremely closely, so I was able to identify "something was up". But that's not something that someone without serious experience in ZFS is going to be able to identify.

Good luck to you. Sadly, this is going to go badly for you in the long term. :(

 

[ler]

based on the fact that I just (from the command line) got a short self-test to run on da2 (areca,3), I beg to differ:

Code:

# smartctl -t short -d areca,3 /dev/arcmsr0
smartctl 6.3 2014-07-26 r3976 [FreeBSD 9.3-RELEASE-p16 amd64] (local build)
Copyright (C) 2002-14, Bruce Allen, Christian Franke, www.smartmontools.org

=== START OF OFFLINE IMMEDIATE AND SELF-TEST SECTION ===
Sending command: "Execute SMART Short self-test routine immediately in off-line mode".
Drive command "Execute SMART Short self-test routine immediately in off-line mode" successful.
Testing has begun.
Please wait 2 minutes for test to complete.
Test will complete after Sat Jul  4 21:25:08 2015

Use smartctl -X to abort test.
#

Code:

# smartctl -a -d areca,3 /dev/arcmsr0
smartctl 6.3 2014-07-26 r3976 [FreeBSD 9.3-RELEASE-p16 amd64] (local build)
Copyright (C) 2002-14, Bruce Allen, Christian Franke, www.smartmontools.org

=== START OF INFORMATION SECTION ===
Device Model:     WL3000GSA6472E
Serial Number:    WOL240286860
LU WWN Device Id: 5 0014ee 0ae102c0f
Firmware Version: 01.01K01
User Capacity:    3,000,592,982,016 bytes [3.00 TB]
Sector Size:      512 bytes logical/physical
Rotation Rate:    7200 rpm
Device is:        Not in smartctl database [for details use: -P showall]
ATA Version is:   ATA8-ACS (minor revision not indicated)
SATA Version is:  SATA 3.0, 6.0 Gb/s (current: 3.0 Gb/s)
Local Time is:    Sat Jul  4 21:25:16 2015 CDT
SMART support is: Available - device has SMART capability.
SMART support is: Enabled

=== START OF READ SMART DATA SECTION ===
SMART overall-health self-assessment test result: PASSED

General SMART Values:
Offline data collection status:  (0x85)    Offline data collection activity
                    was aborted by an interrupting command from host.
                    Auto Offline Data Collection: Enabled.
Self-test execution status:      (   0)    The previous self-test routine completed
                    without error or no self-test has ever
                    been run.
Total time to complete Offline
data collection:         (35280) seconds.
Offline data collection
capabilities:             (0x7b) SMART execute Offline immediate.
                    Auto Offline data collection on/off support.
                    Suspend Offline collection upon new
                    command.
                    Offline surface scan supported.
                    Self-test supported.
                    Conveyance Self-test supported.
                    Selective Self-test supported.
SMART capabilities:            (0x0003)    Saves SMART data before entering
                    power-saving mode.
                    Supports SMART auto save timer.
Error logging capability:        (0x01)    Error logging supported.
                    General Purpose Logging supported.
Short self-test routine
recommended polling time:     (   2) minutes.
Extended self-test routine
recommended polling time:     ( 383) minutes.
Conveyance self-test routine
recommended polling time:     (   5) minutes.
SCT capabilities:           (0x70bd)    SCT Status supported.
                    SCT Error Recovery Control supported.
                    SCT Feature Control supported.
                    SCT Data Table supported.

SMART Attributes Data Structure revision number: 16
Vendor Specific SMART Attributes with Thresholds:
ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME          FLAG     VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE      UPDATED  WHEN_FAILED RAW_VALUE
  1 Raw_Read_Error_Rate     0x002f   200   200   051    Pre-fail  Always       -       0
  3 Spin_Up_Time            0x0027   139   137   021    Pre-fail  Always       -       12050
  4 Start_Stop_Count        0x0032   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       46
  5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct   0x0033   200   200   140    Pre-fail  Always       -       0
  7 Seek_Error_Rate         0x002e   100   253   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
  9 Power_On_Hours          0x0032   099   099   000    Old_age   Always       -       845
 10 Spin_Retry_Count        0x0032   100   253   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
 11 Calibration_Retry_Count 0x0032   100   253   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
 12 Power_Cycle_Count       0x0032   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       46
183 Runtime_Bad_Block       0x0032   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
192 Power-Off_Retract_Count 0x0032   200   200   000    Old_age   Always       -       45
193 Load_Cycle_Count        0x0032   200   200   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
194 Temperature_Celsius     0x0022   117   112   000    Old_age   Always       -       35
196 Reallocated_Event_Count 0x0032   200   200   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
197 Current_Pending_Sector  0x0032   200   200   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
198 Offline_Uncorrectable   0x0030   200   200   000    Old_age   Offline      -       0
199 UDMA_CRC_Error_Count    0x0032   200   200   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
200 Multi_Zone_Error_Rate   0x0008   200   200   000    Old_age   Offline      -       0

SMART Error Log Version: 1
No Errors Logged

SMART Self-test log structure revision number 1
Num  Test_Description    Status                  Remaining  LifeTime(hours)  LBA_of_first_error
# 1  Short offline       Completed without error       00%       845         -

SMART Selective self-test log data structure revision number 1
 SPAN  MIN_LBA  MAX_LBA  CURRENT_TEST_STATUS
    1        0        0  Not_testing
    2        0        0  Not_testing
    3        0        0  Not_testing
    4        0        0  Not_testing
    5        0        0  Not_testing
Selective self-test flags (0x0):
  After scanning selected spans, do NOT read-scan remainder of disk.
If Selective self-test is pending on power-up, resume after 0 minute delay.

#

SO, i just would like GUI support....

Code:

Raid Subsystem Information

Controller Name ARC-1160
Firmware Version V1.49 2010-12-02
BOOT ROM Version V1.49 2010-12-02
Serial Number Y531CAAEAR600364
Unit Serial #  
Main Processor 500MHz IOP331
CPU ICache Size 32KBytes
CPU DCache Size 32KBytes/Write Back
System Memory 256MB/333MHz/ECC
Current IP Address 192.168.200.69

 

[SweetAndLow]

based on the fact that I just (from the command line) got a short self-test to run on da2 (areca,3), I beg to differ:

Code:

# smartctl -t short -d areca,3 /dev/arcmsr0
smartctl 6.3 2014-07-26 r3976 [FreeBSD 9.3-RELEASE-p16 amd64] (local build)
Copyright (C) 2002-14, Bruce Allen, Christian Franke, www.smartmontools.org

=== START OF OFFLINE IMMEDIATE AND SELF-TEST SECTION ===
Sending command: "Execute SMART Short self-test routine immediately in off-line mode".
Drive command "Execute SMART Short self-test routine immediately in off-line mode" successful.
Testing has begun.
Please wait 2 minutes for test to complete.
Test will complete after Sat Jul  4 21:25:08 2015

Use smartctl -X to abort test.
#

Code:

# smartctl -a -d areca,3 /dev/arcmsr0
smartctl 6.3 2014-07-26 r3976 [FreeBSD 9.3-RELEASE-p16 amd64] (local build)
Copyright (C) 2002-14, Bruce Allen, Christian Franke, www.smartmontools.org

=== START OF INFORMATION SECTION ===
Device Model:     WL3000GSA6472E
Serial Number:    WOL240286860
LU WWN Device Id: 5 0014ee 0ae102c0f
Firmware Version: 01.01K01
User Capacity:    3,000,592,982,016 bytes [3.00 TB]
Sector Size:      512 bytes logical/physical
Rotation Rate:    7200 rpm
Device is:        Not in smartctl database [for details use: -P showall]
ATA Version is:   ATA8-ACS (minor revision not indicated)
SATA Version is:  SATA 3.0, 6.0 Gb/s (current: 3.0 Gb/s)
Local Time is:    Sat Jul  4 21:25:16 2015 CDT
SMART support is: Available - device has SMART capability.
SMART support is: Enabled

=== START OF READ SMART DATA SECTION ===
SMART overall-health self-assessment test result: PASSED

General SMART Values:
Offline data collection status:  (0x85)    Offline data collection activity
                    was aborted by an interrupting command from host.
                    Auto Offline Data Collection: Enabled.
Self-test execution status:      (   0)    The previous self-test routine completed
                    without error or no self-test has ever
                    been run.
Total time to complete Offline
data collection:         (35280) seconds.
Offline data collection
capabilities:             (0x7b) SMART execute Offline immediate.
                    Auto Offline data collection on/off support.
                    Suspend Offline collection upon new
                    command.
                    Offline surface scan supported.
                    Self-test supported.
                    Conveyance Self-test supported.
                    Selective Self-test supported.
SMART capabilities:            (0x0003)    Saves SMART data before entering
                    power-saving mode.
                    Supports SMART auto save timer.
Error logging capability:        (0x01)    Error logging supported.
                    General Purpose Logging supported.
Short self-test routine
recommended polling time:     (   2) minutes.
Extended self-test routine
recommended polling time:     ( 383) minutes.
Conveyance self-test routine
recommended polling time:     (   5) minutes.
SCT capabilities:           (0x70bd)    SCT Status supported.
                    SCT Error Recovery Control supported.
                    SCT Feature Control supported.
                    SCT Data Table supported.

SMART Attributes Data Structure revision number: 16
Vendor Specific SMART Attributes with Thresholds:
ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME          FLAG     VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE      UPDATED  WHEN_FAILED RAW_VALUE
  1 Raw_Read_Error_Rate     0x002f   200   200   051    Pre-fail  Always       -       0
  3 Spin_Up_Time            0x0027   139   137   021    Pre-fail  Always       -       12050
  4 Start_Stop_Count        0x0032   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       46
  5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct   0x0033   200   200   140    Pre-fail  Always       -       0
  7 Seek_Error_Rate         0x002e   100   253   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
  9 Power_On_Hours          0x0032   099   099   000    Old_age   Always       -       845
10 Spin_Retry_Count        0x0032   100   253   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
11 Calibration_Retry_Count 0x0032   100   253   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
12 Power_Cycle_Count       0x0032   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       46
183 Runtime_Bad_Block       0x0032   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
192 Power-Off_Retract_Count 0x0032   200   200   000    Old_age   Always       -       45
193 Load_Cycle_Count        0x0032   200   200   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
194 Temperature_Celsius     0x0022   117   112   000    Old_age   Always       -       35
196 Reallocated_Event_Count 0x0032   200   200   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
197 Current_Pending_Sector  0x0032   200   200   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
198 Offline_Uncorrectable   0x0030   200   200   000    Old_age   Offline      -       0
199 UDMA_CRC_Error_Count    0x0032   200   200   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
200 Multi_Zone_Error_Rate   0x0008   200   200   000    Old_age   Offline      -       0

SMART Error Log Version: 1
No Errors Logged

SMART Self-test log structure revision number 1
Num  Test_Description    Status                  Remaining  LifeTime(hours)  LBA_of_first_error
# 1  Short offline       Completed without error       00%       845         -

SMART Selective self-test log data structure revision number 1
SPAN  MIN_LBA  MAX_LBA  CURRENT_TEST_STATUS
    1        0        0  Not_testing
    2        0        0  Not_testing
    3        0        0  Not_testing
    4        0        0  Not_testing
    5        0        0  Not_testing
Selective self-test flags (0x0):
  After scanning selected spans, do NOT read-scan remainder of disk.
If Selective self-test is pending on power-up, resume after 0 minute delay.

#

SO, i just would like GUI support....

Code:

Raid Subsystem Information

Controller Name ARC-1160
Firmware Version V1.49 2010-12-02
BOOT ROM Version V1.49 2010-12-02
Serial Number Y531CAAEAR600364
Unit Serial # 
Main Processor 500MHz IOP331
CPU ICache Size 32KBytes
CPU DCache Size 32KBytes/Write Back
System Memory 256MB/333MHz/ECC
Current IP Address 192.168.200.69

Do you really only have 256MB memory or is that referring to the raid card? Freenas requires 8GB to run safe and predicable.

 

[ler]

that block is the raid controller

 

[cyberjock]

So you have one of the firmwares that works. Sadly though, the automated SMART schedules (and smart monitoring) built into FreeNAS won't work properly last time I checked.

As far as I am concerned, you've taken on way more risk than just some SMART schedules anyway. Doing RAID cards masks problems that you aren't going to be able to test or prove until you've lost the data.

Good luck in any case. There's a reason why I wrote up my article on the Areca after using it for a while. It's just a bad idea to try to use RAID cards.. PERIOD.

 

[ler]

Could you suggest a PCI-X SATA card with 16 ports that would work? I haven't found one.

 

[cyberjock]

Sorry, I don't know anything related to PCI-X. Generally speaking, PCI-X is dead (long live PCIe!).

 

[ler]

It's what I have on this MoBo. I got a good deal on a 15-bay chassis, and it has PCI-X.

So, I'm stuck.