Choppy performance since pool reached 80% utilization

[Robert Trevellyan]

1. A Pentium would probably be fine.
4. Seems like 32GB will suffice. ZFS always uses all available RAM, except for a small reservation, for caching, so your current RAM usage is as expected.

 

[freenas-supero]

Im about to pull the trigger on a Supermicro X9SCL-F which supports Xeon E3-1200 series and 32GB ECC DDR3 RAM. Im also just about to buy a E3-1220 (not V2 since $$$) and I already have a few M1015's laying around so I am planning to use one with this setup.

Now for memory, I am a little bit confused. The supermicro page says "Supports up to 32 GB DDR3 ECC Un-Buffered memory (UDIMM)" but a quick ebay search did not lead to a lot of results. There are tons of Registered ECC memory kits (4x8GB) but only a handful of Unbuffered ECC kits, most of them from Hong Kong as private listings. I usually stear clear from private listings, and from electronics from China because of the knock offs, but I wonder what people on this forum are thinking... Are they trustable?

 

[BigDave]

Now for memory, I am a little bit confused. The supermicro page says "Supports up to 32 GB DDR3 ECC Un-Buffered memory (UDIMM)" but a quick ebay search did not lead to a lot of results. There are tons of Registered ECC memory kits (4x8GB) but only a handful of Unbuffered ECC kits, most of them from Hong Kong as private listings. I usually stear clear from private listings, and from electronics from China because of the knock offs, but I wonder what people on this forum are thinking... Are they trustable?

I would not trust them.
You should look at this maybe...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ..._re=crucial_server_RAM-_-20-148-770-_-Product

 

[freenas-supero]

ZFS is really a different beast than most other uses I know of for RAM, so Im wondering if I would see a significant boost in performance by going for DDR3-1600 instead of 1333... I mean ZFS uses RAM so intensely, would it be advisable to spit the extra cash to get a 1220v2 that supports 1600MHz RAM?

I agree... RAM on ebay is sketchy.

 

[jgreco]

I would not get hung up over the 1600. Nice to have. I would take 32GB of DDR3-800 over 16GB of DDR3-1600 any day though, just to make it clear where the importance is.

 

[freenas-supero]

I would not get hung up over the 1600. Nice to have. I would take 32GB of DDR3-800 over 16GB of DDR3-1600 any day though, just to make it clear where the importance is.

Loud 'n clear!!!

Yep OK and the supermicro mobo, are you guys aware of major issues with this particular model? The HW recommendation thread posted by cyberjock clearly recommend supermicro and I have been running 2 supermicro servers for several years now without issues so I assume the X9SCL would do a flawless job.

 

[BigDave]

For your stated use case, it's as close to perfect as can be had and has a long history of success with FreeNAS with hundreds of members here.

 

[freenas-supero]

OK I ordered a supermicro X9SCL board for $35USD on ebay. Decent price if you ask me, but it doesnt come with IPMI which is a shame.... I couldn't find a PCIe IPMI card. Do they make those? There is 3 PCIe slots on that board, I intend to use one for the M1015, and be left with 2 free slots so installing an IPMI card is no problem..

Another question is regarding the CPU. The supermicro page for this motherboard says "Intel Xeon processor E3-1200 & v2 series" so does it support 1220 V3 and 1230?? Prices on ebay for the 1220v2 and V3 are really close to 1220's so for an extra $20 I could jump from 1220 to 1220V3 and have access to DDR1600 and PCIe-3.0 instead of 2.0... In the end both of these things wont probably make much difference in the performance of the pool ??

 

[jgreco]

It supports E3-12xx (Sandy Bridge) and E3-12xx v2 (Ivy Bridge).

 

[freenas-supero]

While I wait for the new hardware, I collected smart data from the drives, and found a few surprising things..

The following smart parameters are insanely high

• "Raw_Read_Error_Rate" on da0, da2, da4 & da6
• "Seek_Error_Rate" on da0, da2, da4 & da6
• "Hardware_ECC_Recovered" on da0, da2
• "Command_Timeout" on da2...

All da0, da2, da4 & da6 are Seagate Barracuda's.... Yep pieces of sh**. All other drives are HGST NAS drives.

Can I expect a massive catastrophic pool failure soon? Should I just go ahead and replace these now even of scrubs and smart are no issuing errors per-se? How serious are the parameters above?

Code:

[root@freenas] ~# smartctl -A /dev/da0
smartctl 6.2 2013-07-26 r3841 [FreeBSD 9.2-RELEASE-p9 amd64] (local build)
Copyright (C) 2002-13, Bruce Allen, Christian Franke, www.smartmontools.org

=== START OF READ SMART DATA SECTION ===
SMART Attributes Data Structure revision number: 10
Vendor Specific SMART Attributes with Thresholds:
ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME          FLAG     VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE      UPDATED  WHEN_FAILED RAW_VALUE
  1 Raw_Read_Error_Rate     0x000f   118   099   006    Pre-fail  Always       -       179052893
  3 Spin_Up_Time            0x0003   100   100   000    Pre-fail  Always       -       0
  4 Start_Stop_Count        0x0032   100   100   020    Old_age   Always       -       220
  5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct   0x0033   100   100   036    Pre-fail  Always       -       0
  7 Seek_Error_Rate         0x000f   082   060   030    Pre-fail  Always       -       186977691
  9 Power_On_Hours          0x0032   060   060   000    Old_age   Always       -       35225
10 Spin_Retry_Count        0x0013   100   100   097    Pre-fail  Always       -       0
12 Power_Cycle_Count       0x0032   100   100   020    Old_age   Always       -       218
183 Runtime_Bad_Block       0x0032   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
184 End-to-End_Error        0x0032   100   100   099    Old_age   Always       -       0
187 Reported_Uncorrect      0x0032   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
188 Command_Timeout         0x0032   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
189 High_Fly_Writes         0x003a   099   099   000    Old_age   Always       -       1
190 Airflow_Temperature_Cel 0x0022   065   058   045    Old_age   Always       -       35 (Min/Max 23/36)
194 Temperature_Celsius     0x0022   035   042   000    Old_age   Always       -       35 (0 18 0 0 0)
195 Hardware_ECC_Recovered  0x001a   036   027   000    Old_age   Always       -       179052893
197 Current_Pending_Sector  0x0012   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
198 Offline_Uncorrectable   0x0010   100   100   000    Old_age   Offline      -       0
199 UDMA_CRC_Error_Count    0x003e   200   200   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
240 Head_Flying_Hours       0x0000   100   253   000    Old_age   Offline      -       88983132473802
241 Total_LBAs_Written      0x0000   100   253   000    Old_age   Offline      -       2760294427
242 Total_LBAs_Read         0x0000   100   253   000    Old_age   Offline      -       1246150209

Code:

[root@freenas] ~# smartctl -A /dev/da1
smartctl 6.2 2013-07-26 r3841 [FreeBSD 9.2-RELEASE-p9 amd64] (local build)
Copyright (C) 2002-13, Bruce Allen, Christian Franke, www.smartmontools.org

=== START OF READ SMART DATA SECTION ===
SMART Attributes Data Structure revision number: 16
Vendor Specific SMART Attributes with Thresholds:
ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME          FLAG     VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE      UPDATED  WHEN_FAILED RAW_VALUE
  1 Raw_Read_Error_Rate     0x000b   100   100   016    Pre-fail  Always       -       0
  2 Throughput_Performance  0x0005   135   135   054    Pre-fail  Offline      -       98
  3 Spin_Up_Time            0x0007   134   134   024    Pre-fail  Always       -       412 (Average 406)
  4 Start_Stop_Count        0x0012   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       104
  5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct   0x0033   100   100   005    Pre-fail  Always       -       0
  7 Seek_Error_Rate         0x000b   100   100   067    Pre-fail  Always       -       0
  8 Seek_Time_Performance   0x0005   146   146   020    Pre-fail  Offline      -       29
  9 Power_On_Hours          0x0012   097   097   000    Old_age   Always       -       21685
10 Spin_Retry_Count        0x0013   100   100   060    Pre-fail  Always       -       0
12 Power_Cycle_Count       0x0032   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       103
192 Power-Off_Retract_Count 0x0032   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       308
193 Load_Cycle_Count        0x0012   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       308
194 Temperature_Celsius     0x0002   181   181   000    Old_age   Always       -       33 (Min/Max 18/39)
196 Reallocated_Event_Count 0x0032   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
197 Current_Pending_Sector  0x0022   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
198 Offline_Uncorrectable   0x0008   100   100   000    Old_age   Offline      -       0
199 UDMA_CRC_Error_Count    0x000a   200   200   000    Old_age   Always       -       0

Code:

[root@freenas] ~# smartctl -A /dev/da2
smartctl 6.2 2013-07-26 r3841 [FreeBSD 9.2-RELEASE-p9 amd64] (local build)
Copyright (C) 2002-13, Bruce Allen, Christian Franke, www.smartmontools.org

=== START OF READ SMART DATA SECTION ===
SMART Attributes Data Structure revision number: 10
Vendor Specific SMART Attributes with Thresholds:
ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME          FLAG     VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE      UPDATED  WHEN_FAILED RAW_VALUE
  1 Raw_Read_Error_Rate     0x000f   114   099   006    Pre-fail  Always       -       76493248
  3 Spin_Up_Time            0x0003   078   070   000    Pre-fail  Always       -       0
  4 Start_Stop_Count        0x0032   100   100   020    Old_age   Always       -       99
  5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct   0x0033   100   100   036    Pre-fail  Always       -       0
  7 Seek_Error_Rate         0x000f   084   060   030    Pre-fail  Always       -       246489059
  9 Power_On_Hours          0x0032   076   076   000    Old_age   Always       -       21774
10 Spin_Retry_Count        0x0013   100   100   097    Pre-fail  Always       -       0
12 Power_Cycle_Count       0x0032   100   100   020    Old_age   Always       -       98
183 Runtime_Bad_Block       0x0032   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
184 End-to-End_Error        0x0032   100   100   099    Old_age   Always       -       0
187 Reported_Uncorrect      0x0032   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
188 Command_Timeout         0x0032   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       4295032833
189 High_Fly_Writes         0x003a   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
190 Airflow_Temperature_Cel 0x0022   069   062   045    Old_age   Always       -       31 (Min/Max 20/32)
191 G-Sense_Error_Rate      0x0032   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
192 Power-Off_Retract_Count 0x0032   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       93
193 Load_Cycle_Count        0x0032   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       99
194 Temperature_Celsius     0x0022   031   040   000    Old_age   Always       -       31 (0 17 0 0 0)
195 Hardware_ECC_Recovered  0x001a   018   004   000    Old_age   Always       -       76493248
197 Current_Pending_Sector  0x0012   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
198 Offline_Uncorrectable   0x0010   100   100   000    Old_age   Offline      -       0
199 UDMA_CRC_Error_Count    0x003e   200   200   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
240 Head_Flying_Hours       0x0000   100   253   000    Old_age   Offline      -       230957571396874
241 Total_LBAs_Written      0x0000   100   253   000    Old_age   Offline      -       1132304118
242 Total_LBAs_Read         0x0000   100   253   000    Old_age   Offline      -       1724526318

Code:

[root@freenas] ~# smartctl -A /dev/da3
smartctl 6.2 2013-07-26 r3841 [FreeBSD 9.2-RELEASE-p9 amd64] (local build)
Copyright (C) 2002-13, Bruce Allen, Christian Franke, www.smartmontools.org

=== START OF READ SMART DATA SECTION ===
SMART Attributes Data Structure revision number: 16
Vendor Specific SMART Attributes with Thresholds:
ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME  FLAG  VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE  UPDATED  WHEN_FAILED RAW_VALUE
  1 Raw_Read_Error_Rate  0x000b  100  100  016  Pre-fail  Always  -  0
  2 Throughput_Performance  0x0005  134  134  054  Pre-fail  Offline  -  100
  3 Spin_Up_Time  0x0007  134  134  024  Pre-fail  Always  -  410 (Average 407)
  4 Start_Stop_Count  0x0012  100  100  000  Old_age  Always  -  257
  5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct  0x0033  100  100  005  Pre-fail  Always  -  0
  7 Seek_Error_Rate  0x000b  100  100  067  Pre-fail  Always  -  0
  8 Seek_Time_Performance  0x0005  148  148  020  Pre-fail  Offline  -  28
  9 Power_On_Hours  0x0012  095  095  000  Old_age  Always  -  38035
10 Spin_Retry_Count  0x0013  100  100  060  Pre-fail  Always  -  0
12 Power_Cycle_Count  0x0032  100  100  000  Old_age  Always  -  256
192 Power-Off_Retract_Count 0x0032  100  100  000  Old_age  Always  -  692
193 Load_Cycle_Count  0x0012  100  100  000  Old_age  Always  -  692
194 Temperature_Celsius  0x0002  193  193  000  Old_age  Always  -  31 (Min/Max 17/41)
196 Reallocated_Event_Count 0x0032  100  100  000  Old_age  Always  -  0
197 Current_Pending_Sector  0x0022  100  100  000  Old_age  Always  -  0
198 Offline_Uncorrectable  0x0008  100  100  000  Old_age  Offline  -  0
199 UDMA_CRC_Error_Count  0x000a  200  200  000  Old_age  Always  -  0

Code:

[root@freenas] ~# smartctl -A /dev/da4
smartctl 6.2 2013-07-26 r3841 [FreeBSD 9.2-RELEASE-p9 amd64] (local build)
Copyright (C) 2002-13, Bruce Allen, Christian Franke, www.smartmontools.org

=== START OF READ SMART DATA SECTION ===
SMART Attributes Data Structure revision number: 10
Vendor Specific SMART Attributes with Thresholds:
ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME  FLAG  VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE  UPDATED  WHEN_FAILED RAW_VALUE
  1 Raw_Read_Error_Rate  0x000f  117  099  006  Pre-fail  Always  -  145994152
  3 Spin_Up_Time  0x0003  096  095  000  Pre-fail  Always  -  0
  4 Start_Stop_Count  0x0032  100  100  020  Old_age  Always  -  79
  5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct  0x0033  100  100  010  Pre-fail  Always  -  0
  7 Seek_Error_Rate  0x000f  081  060  030  Pre-fail  Always  -  8846044156
  9 Power_On_Hours  0x0032  076  076  000  Old_age  Always  -  21291
10 Spin_Retry_Count  0x0013  100  100  097  Pre-fail  Always  -  0
12 Power_Cycle_Count  0x0032  100  100  020  Old_age  Always  -  79
183 Runtime_Bad_Block  0x0032  100  100  000  Old_age  Always  -  0
184 End-to-End_Error  0x0032  100  100  099  Old_age  Always  -  0
187 Reported_Uncorrect  0x0032  100  100  000  Old_age  Always  -  0
188 Command_Timeout  0x0032  100  100  000  Old_age  Always  -  0 0 0
189 High_Fly_Writes  0x003a  052  052  000  Old_age  Always  -  48
190 Airflow_Temperature_Cel 0x0022  066  059  045  Old_age  Always  -  34 (Min/Max 20/35)
191 G-Sense_Error_Rate  0x0032  100  100  000  Old_age  Always  -  0
192 Power-Off_Retract_Count 0x0032  100  100  000  Old_age  Always  -  47
193 Load_Cycle_Count  0x0032  001  001  000  Old_age  Always  -  396836
194 Temperature_Celsius  0x0022  034  041  000  Old_age  Always  -  34 (0 17 0 0 0)
197 Current_Pending_Sector  0x0012  100  100  000  Old_age  Always  -  0
198 Offline_Uncorrectable  0x0010  100  100  000  Old_age  Offline  -  0
199 UDMA_CRC_Error_Count  0x003e  200  200  000  Old_age  Always  -  0
240 Head_Flying_Hours  0x0000  100  253  000  Old_age  Offline  -  16830h+02m+24.358s
241 Total_LBAs_Written  0x0000  100  253  000  Old_age  Offline  -  67664160577
242 Total_LBAs_Read  0x0000  100  253  000  Old_age  Offline  -  126347092720

Code:

[root@freenas] ~# smartctl -A /dev/da5
smartctl 6.2 2013-07-26 r3841 [FreeBSD 9.2-RELEASE-p9 amd64] (local build)
Copyright (C) 2002-13, Bruce Allen, Christian Franke, www.smartmontools.org

=== START OF READ SMART DATA SECTION ===
SMART Attributes Data Structure revision number: 16
Vendor Specific SMART Attributes with Thresholds:
ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME  FLAG  VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE  UPDATED  WHEN_FAILED RAW_VALUE
  1 Raw_Read_Error_Rate  0x000b  100  100  016  Pre-fail  Always  -  0
  2 Throughput_Performance  0x0005  133  133  054  Pre-fail  Offline  -  104
  3 Spin_Up_Time  0x0007  139  139  024  Pre-fail  Always  -  395 (Average 392)
  4 Start_Stop_Count  0x0012  100  100  000  Old_age  Always  -  122
  5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct  0x0033  100  100  005  Pre-fail  Always  -  0
  7 Seek_Error_Rate  0x000b  100  100  067  Pre-fail  Always  -  0
  8 Seek_Time_Performance  0x0005  150  150  020  Pre-fail  Offline  -  27
  9 Power_On_Hours  0x0012  097  097  000  Old_age  Always  -  21903
10 Spin_Retry_Count  0x0013  100  100  060  Pre-fail  Always  -  0
12 Power_Cycle_Count  0x0032  100  100  000  Old_age  Always  -  118
192 Power-Off_Retract_Count 0x0032  100  100  000  Old_age  Always  -  326
193 Load_Cycle_Count  0x0012  100  100  000  Old_age  Always  -  326
194 Temperature_Celsius  0x0002  187  187  000  Old_age  Always  -  32 (Min/Max 18/38)
196 Reallocated_Event_Count 0x0032  100  100  000  Old_age  Always  -  0
197 Current_Pending_Sector  0x0022  100  100  000  Old_age  Always  -  0
198 Offline_Uncorrectable  0x0008  100  100  000  Old_age  Offline  -  0
199 UDMA_CRC_Error_Count  0x000a  200  200  000  Old_age  Always  -  0

Code:

[root@freenas] ~# smartctl -A /dev/da6
smartctl 6.2 2013-07-26 r3841 [FreeBSD 9.2-RELEASE-p9 amd64] (local build)
Copyright (C) 2002-13, Bruce Allen, Christian Franke, www.smartmontools.org

=== START OF READ SMART DATA SECTION ===
SMART Attributes Data Structure revision number: 10
Vendor Specific SMART Attributes with Thresholds:
ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME  FLAG  VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE  UPDATED  WHEN_FAILED RAW_VALUE
  1 Raw_Read_Error_Rate  0x000f  118  099  006  Pre-fail  Always  -  185216640
  3 Spin_Up_Time  0x0003  094  094  000  Pre-fail  Always  -  0
  4 Start_Stop_Count  0x0032  100  100  020  Old_age  Always  -  24
  5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct  0x0033  100  100  010  Pre-fail  Always  -  0
  7 Seek_Error_Rate  0x000f  052  051  030  Pre-fail  Always  -  4621557391380
  9 Power_On_Hours  0x0032  086  086  000  Old_age  Always  -  12976
10 Spin_Retry_Count  0x0013  100  100  097  Pre-fail  Always  -  0
12 Power_Cycle_Count  0x0032  100  100  020  Old_age  Always  -  22
183 Runtime_Bad_Block  0x0032  099  099  000  Old_age  Always  -  1
184 End-to-End_Error  0x0032  100  100  099  Old_age  Always  -  0
187 Reported_Uncorrect  0x0032  100  100  000  Old_age  Always  -  0
188 Command_Timeout  0x0032  100  100  000  Old_age  Always  -  0 0 0
189 High_Fly_Writes  0x003a  100  100  000  Old_age  Always  -  0
190 Airflow_Temperature_Cel 0x0022  067  061  045  Old_age  Always  -  33 (Min/Max 19/33)
191 G-Sense_Error_Rate  0x0032  100  100  000  Old_age  Always  -  0
192 Power-Off_Retract_Count 0x0032  100  100  000  Old_age  Always  -  14
193 Load_Cycle_Count  0x0032  001  001  000  Old_age  Always  -  244719
194 Temperature_Celsius  0x0022  033  040  000  Old_age  Always  -  33 (0 17 0 0 0)
197 Current_Pending_Sector  0x0012  100  100  000  Old_age  Always  -  0
198 Offline_Uncorrectable  0x0010  100  100  000  Old_age  Offline  -  0
199 UDMA_CRC_Error_Count  0x003e  200  200  000  Old_age  Always  -  0
240 Head_Flying_Hours  0x0000  100  253  000  Old_age  Offline  -  10745h+31m+24.877s
241 Total_LBAs_Written  0x0000  100  253  000  Old_age  Offline  -  41427173244
242 Total_LBAs_Read  0x0000  100  253  000  Old_age  Offline  -  66169052358

Code:

[root@freenas] ~# smartctl -A /dev/da7
smartctl 6.2 2013-07-26 r3841 [FreeBSD 9.2-RELEASE-p9 amd64] (local build)
Copyright (C) 2002-13, Bruce Allen, Christian Franke, www.smartmontools.org

=== START OF READ SMART DATA SECTION ===
SMART Attributes Data Structure revision number: 16
Vendor Specific SMART Attributes with Thresholds:
ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME  FLAG  VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE  UPDATED  WHEN_FAILED RAW_VALUE
  1 Raw_Read_Error_Rate  0x000b  100  100  016  Pre-fail  Always  -  0
  2 Throughput_Performance  0x0005  135  135  054  Pre-fail  Offline  -  84
  3 Spin_Up_Time  0x0007  100  100  024  Pre-fail  Always  -  0
  4 Start_Stop_Count  0x0012  100  100  000  Old_age  Always  -  4
  5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct  0x0033  100  100  005  Pre-fail  Always  -  0
  7 Seek_Error_Rate  0x000b  100  100  067  Pre-fail  Always  -  0
  8 Seek_Time_Performance  0x0005  124  124  020  Pre-fail  Offline  -  33
  9 Power_On_Hours  0x0012  100  100  000  Old_age  Always  -  6026
10 Spin_Retry_Count  0x0013  100  100  060  Pre-fail  Always  -  0
12 Power_Cycle_Count  0x0032  100  100  000  Old_age  Always  -  4
192 Power-Off_Retract_Count 0x0032  100  100  000  Old_age  Always  -  244
193 Load_Cycle_Count  0x0012  100  100  000  Old_age  Always  -  244
194 Temperature_Celsius  0x0002  162  162  000  Old_age  Always  -  37 (Min/Max 23/39)
196 Reallocated_Event_Count 0x0032  100  100  000  Old_age  Always  -  0
197 Current_Pending_Sector  0x0022  100  100  000  Old_age  Always  -  0
198 Offline_Uncorrectable  0x0008  100  100  000  Old_age  Offline  -  0
199 UDMA_CRC_Error_Count  0x000a  200  200  000  Old_age  Always  -  0

 

[SweetAndLow]

You should setup your system better. Configure email notifications, automated smart tests and backup your data because when you replace your drives you might kill all the others.

 

[freenas-supero]

You should setup your system better. Configure email notifications, automated smart tests and backup your data because when you replace your drives you might kill all the others.

From the smart output you got that I did not setup my freenas server properly?

Email is indeed setup, I get security runs whenever freenas detects something worthy of notifying me.

Smart tests are configured to run at schedule (long tests each 1st day of the month, and short tests every 4 days).

Scrubs are scheduled to run on the 15th of every month.

Backups are done on a manual basis since I have not yet a backup server.

 

[Bidule0hm]

"Raw_Read_Error_Rate" on da0, da2, da4 & da6
"Seek_Error_Rate" on da0, da2, da4 & da6

Yeah that's normal on Seagate drives, see this link to learn how to read these attributes ;)

 

[Ericloewe]

Yeah that's normal on Seagate drives, see this link to learn how to read these attributes ;)

tl;dr - pretend you're a processor who's really good at logarithms.

 

[freenas-supero]

tl;dr - pretend you're a processor who's really good at logarithms.

Yeah OK Seagate drives are sh** and their firmwares are also sh**.

So whats next? Seriously, Im not buying a seagate drive ever again. Period. This should be in the Freenas hardware recommendations.

 

[Ericloewe]

and their firmwares are also sh**.

I wouldn't go that far. "Unintuitive" or "user-hostile" are more appropriate expressions.

 

[freenas-supero]

I wouldn't go that far. "Unintuitive" or "user-hostile" are more appropriate expressions.

Yes, I agree. user-hostile like in Independence Day? :)

 

[jgreco]

Yeah OK Seagate drives are sh** and their firmwares are also sh**.

So whats next? Seriously, Im not buying a seagate drive ever again. Period. This should be in the Freenas hardware recommendations.

Then you'll be in real trouble when we tell you about the crap that is Western Digital and you decide to boycott them too, you'll be left with no one to buy drives from.

This is irrational behaviour on your part.

 

[freenas-supero]

Then you'll be in real trouble when we tell you about the crap that is Western Digital and you decide to boycott them too, you'll be left with no one to buy drives from.

This is irrational behaviour on your part.

Sir, there's a brand called HGST which has delivered outstanding results so far. Way above the others.

This is short-sighting on your part.

 

[jgreco]

Sir, there's a brand called HGST which has delivered outstanding results so far. Way above the others.

This is short-sighting on your part.

Is it? HGST has been a WD subsidiary for some time now. If you pop open a WD MyBook 8TB, you're likely as not to find a HGST Enterprise 8 He drive in there. HGST is indeed a "brand" but the company making them, that's WD.

Similarly, Seagate has consumed brands such as Maxtor and Samsung in the past. This hasn't necessarily injected into Seagate a better reputation for quality control.

Now, if you really want to drone on about HGST, I'll invite you to look at the history of the Hitachi Deathstar 75GXP. Some people thought that the acquisition of IBM's HDD business by Hitachi signaled some kind of turnaround for the business, but sadly, HGST went on to put out even more craptacular Deskstars for the next half a decade or so. They did finally get their act together for the most part, and in the last five years or so they've put out some pretty decent drives.

The pragmatic reality is that you have to take a risk and spend some money. In some cases you'll end up with lemons like the WD20EARS or ST3000DM000's. But for the most part, those aren't common events.

And before you call me short-sighted you might want to make note that I can walk fifty feet and lay hands on inventory of every drive brand and model mentioned in this message, plus there's boxes filled with dead drives sitting in storage. When you sell drives by the hundred, these things happen...