Any bad experiences with ironwolf 8tb yet?

[diskdiddler]

I assume that's also a helium model, the 12TB?
I just want 8TB for under $150 US shipped or 10TB for under $220, this doesn't exist (in PMR) yet.

 

[Johnnie Black]

I assume that's also a helium model, the 12TB?

Yes, but still PMR

 

[Ericloewe]

Is VirtualBox not available on FreeBSD or something?

As I understand it, some major components needed for FreeNAS were a nasty hack whose creator dropped off the map a year before Virtualbox was quasi-officially dropped from FreeNAS.

Bhyve was, and still is, the up-and-coming solution for FreeBSD (and now Illumos), so there's also political interest in pushing it, for the good of the greater project, independence from Oracle, etc.

 

[danb35]

Why did they switch anyhow? Is VirtualBox not available on FreeBSD or something?

Why are we (re-)arguing this now, two years after the fact? No, VirtualBox is not released for FreeBSD (only Mac/Windows/Linux), though it's possible to get it working with some hacking (and there are some here who have done it with more recent versions). Again, as with most things warden, upgrading the jail was, as a practical matter, impossible--perhaps it will become a more workable solution under iocage.

 

[southwow]

Why did they switch anyhow? Is VirtualBox not available on FreeBSD or something?

Looks like the VirtualBox port has been dead for a while. BSD projects don't usually garner the attention that the same Linux ports do, which is a major shame. Of course, I also mourn Tru64 so I may be an idiot.

 

[southwow]

Why are we (re-)arguing this now, two years after the fact? No, VirtualBox is not released for FreeBSD (only Mac/Windows/Linux), though it's possible to get it working with some hacking (and there are some here who have done it with more recent versions). Again, as with most things warden, upgrading the jail was, as a practical matter, impossible--perhaps it will become a more workable solution under iocage.

Maybe some of us were left out of the original argument and just want to complain.

Complaining is the reason 90% of people who use forums... use forums.

 

[southwow]

I assume that's also a helium model, the 12TB?
I just want 8TB for under $150 US shipped or 10TB for under $220, this doesn't exist (in PMR) yet.

If this was aimed at me, it was the ironwolf pro 12tb. I thought that I'd go for broke if I was going to be spacing drives out a little more. I ended up balking based on @Chris Moore reminding me of the issues that people mentioned. I'm personally staying away from them right now.

I'll stick with reds; the spindle speed isn't an issue at all for transcoding media on a house-full of phones and STB's.

 

[diskdiddler]

I just wasn't sure why VBox was gone, I'm not as upset as others.

Hopefully Bhyve will improve in time to a more acceptable level?

 

[Ericloewe]

The Joyent folks are really into this stuff, their resources are likely to have a very positive impact on bhyve now that they're using it on SmartOS. Don't forget that they're owned by Samsung now, so Samsung is effectively buying into bhyve.

 

[silverback]

The Joyent folks are really into this stuff, their resources are likely to have a very positive impact on bhyve now that they're using it on SmartOS. Don't forget that they're owned by Samsung now, so Samsung is effectively buying into bhyve.

Good News in that byhve needs quite a bit of development. Hopefully pci passthrough and multicore vcpu can become a reality on a freenas box.

 

[diskdiddler]

Is there a tracker to follow and suggest this stuff? Perhaps we can contribute to bug reports, suggestions to improve it.

 

[southwow]

@diskdiddler I'd like to know the same, but haven't had a chance to dig into the project.

I've finally got a stable 2 cpu VM running with it, but it took a lot of work and the magic bullet was Windows 10.

Some of the configurations out of the box like virtualbox had would be nice (i.e. a wizard). I'm a full stack developer, so it might be fun to build a plugin to more easily modify the configuration through the GUI. The current set of tools work, but I had to manually set up my bridge connection and change some other config to make it stable.

Hardware pass-through would be nice (especially for tuners in my case). I'm not holding my breath on that one, however. FreeBSD is pretty type-cast as OS roles go, we all know that it's known for stability and reliability. It's definitely on my short list of OS choices for any service-based server build. (silently sheds a tear for Tru64 again, lol)

Aside from that, I've no clue about the nuts and bolts of building a hypervisor from scratch.

 

[Inxsible]

There are 12TB PMR drives

Now there are 14TB PMR too.
https://www.anandtech.com/show/1266...es-ultrastar-dc-hc530-14-tb-pmr-with-tdmr-hdd

 

[Johnnie Black]

Now there are 14TB PMR too.
https://www.anandtech.com/show/1266...es-ultrastar-dc-hc530-14-tb-pmr-with-tdmr-hdd

Yes, Toshiba also announced a 14TB PMR a while ago, though Toshiba will use nine 1.55TB platters, these (and the upcoming Seagate 14TB PMR likely as well) will use eight 1.75TB platters, which are currently the max possible without SMR.

 

[Johnnie Black]

Also, I found this isn't true anymore:

for 2.5" disks, current max platter size for PMR is 750GB/platter, all 1TB/platter disks like Seagates 3/4/5TB and the new 1/2TB WDxxSPZX are SMR.

as Toshiba has release a 1TB plater 2.5" disk, it's available (or it will be as I can't find it for sale yet) as 1 and 2TB models, and though they don't announce the areal density it's got to be pretty high, and very impressive.

Also, and on the SMR front, pretty surprised to find a couple of different new Asus notebooks using 1TB SMR Seagate disks, they obviously believe they perform well enough for regular use, though likely use them only on lower end models, possibly other brands are doing the same.

 

[southwow]

Are those SAS or SATA drives @ 2TB? have any model numbers?

Edit: I meant 1TB per platter, that's a crazy amount of storage in a small space.

 

[Johnnie Black]

Are those SAS or SATA drives @ 2TB? have any model numbers?

Edit: I meant 1TB per platter, that's a crazy amount of storage in a small space.

SATA only:
https://toshiba.semicon-storage.com/ap-en/product/storage-products/client-hdd/mq04abfxxx.html